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To: Lane3 who wrote (10607)	2/2/2006 8:59:15 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541747

If the government assumes a certain value for tipping, and we allow the government to assume that, and we tip less than that value, then we are not paying the societally agreed upon rate for service. A person might disagree with society for setting that rate, but taking it out on an individual food server seems just cruel.

To: Lane3 who wrote (10607)	2/2/2006 11:08:45 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541747

I think the problem here is the example used. Sticking to the clear example of government spending, it's surely easier. Say (hypothetical figures), benefit claimants used to get $50/week from the state. Now they get $40/week. The state isn't 'taking away from them', as such, it's giving them less, in strictest phraseology. It may be morally repugnant, but it's not a confiscation per se. However I think you'll find such a cut pretty universally portrayed as "taking money from the poor" (especially if it's coupled with reductions in taxes paid mainly by the richest...). If you reduce someone's entitlement you are effectively taking away from their income - you are changing the moral contract implicit in government. Another example: if your employer used to pay $50/hour and then changes that to pay $40, he may be allowed to under your contract but I think such a pay cut would be described as "taking away" your pay. The implicit contract is that you are entitled to that pay, and not meeting the expectation - a change which you are unable to prevent - is taking away something rightfully yours under that contract...