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To: epicure who wrote (10918)	2/6/2006 11:43:37 PM
From: Sdgla	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541431

Here you go........ we are at war and this is how a US congressman, who experienced 911 in his own city, speaks : New York Congressman Gary Ackerman came into the studio to present Howard with the American flag that was flown over the Capital on January 9, 2006 to honor his move to SIRIUS. Although Congressman Ackerman admitted that he voted for the war in Iraq, he added that he did so because he believed the “evidence” the White House used to back their request. Congressman Ackerman went on to say that not only are members of Congress exploring whether or not Pres. Bush’s “prefabrications” for the war could lead to an impeachment, but that they’re also looking into the legality of the president’s recently revealed spying tactics. The Congressman noted that, while there are times when spying is necessary in order to stop terrorists, there are legal ways of doing so and that it appears the president sidestepped the law to gather his secret information. As the Congressman put it, if republicans could initiate impeachment hearing for President Clinton’s “indiscretions,” then perhaps similar proceedings weren’t too far off for Bush. howardstern.com

To: epicure who wrote (10918)	2/7/2006 1:51:02 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541431

To quote Molly Ivin's advice to the Democrats on national security: Bush, Cheney and Co. will continue to play the patriotic bully card just as long as you let them. I've said it before: War brings out the patriotic bullies. In World War I, they went around kicking dachshunds on the grounds that dachshunds were "German dogs." They did not, however, go around kicking German shepherds. The minute someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means. Get that? There is no problem except for the Bush/Cheney exploitation of the problem for political advantage. It's just "the patriotic bully card." Nothing there that Democrats can't solve by just standing tall and pulling the troops out of Iraq. Gee, if that's the solution, there never was much of a real problem, was there? And it certainly sounds like Molly isn't worrying much about the problems that might be created by a sudden American pull-out, either. Because if she has any kind of a national security program to recommend, I must have missed it.