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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9985)	2/7/2006 6:07:26 PM
From: Edscharp	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 22250

Searle, I managed to find a website with the cartoons which includes an english translation. Most of the toons appear to be mildly irreverent caricatures of Mohammed. I suppose the 'meanest' of them is the toon of Mohammed with the bomb in his turban humaneventsonline.com Sorry, but in my lifetime I've seen some pretty sarcastic and nasty attacks on people and groups, but these toons seem rather tame to me. In any case, under no circumstances do I see anything here that justifies violence in the name of religion. I'm certain there are a majority of moderate Muslims that must be appalled by the violence associated with these images, and quite frankly, it says something very negative about those who are engaging in violence and arson; and particularly those who attempt to justify it. They should be ashamed of themselves. Doubt this not. Books will be written about the over-reaction of Iran alone. And this is all because of a tiny insignificant and irreverent newspaper in one very small corner of the world. One more thing. You made the comment The "cartoons" were not just a bit of innocent and tasteless fun as, for example, when Prince Harry put on an SS uniform to go to a fancy dress party Errrr, excuse me. But, I don't recall Jews all over the world burning down British embassies, rioting, or demanding boycotts. There were Jewish people who rightfully believed it was bad taste and said so. They didn't resort to violence.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9985)	2/7/2006 6:25:41 PM
From: Crimson Ghost	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Partners in War The Hillary and George Show By Joshua Frank 02/07/06 "ICH" -- -- There aren't many elected officials in Washington who want to throw the gantlet down on Iran more than Hillary Clinton. The New York Senator believes the president has been too soft on the militant Islamic country, claiming that Bush has played down the threat of a nuclear-armed Tehran. "I believe we lost critical time in dealing with Iran because the White House chose to downplay the threats and to outsource the negotiations," Clinton told an audience at Princeton University on January 18. "I don't believe you face threats like Iran or North Korea by outsourcing it to others and standing on the sidelines We cannot and should not - must not - permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," Clinton added. "In order to prevent that from occurring we must move as quickly as feasible for sanctions in the United Nations." Sen. Clinton has attempted to out-hawk Dubya on other foreign policy matters, as well. From Iraq to Palestine, the Democratic Party's leading lady argues that the current administration has not done enough to combat the threat of terrorism. And like so many other neoconservatives (yes, admit it, Hillary is a bloody neocon), Clinton will never admit that the United States has fallen right into the grasp of Al Qaeda by attempting to fight stateless terror by walloping sovereign Arab countries. And with the landslide Hamas victory in the recent Palestinian elections, the US policy for the region isn't exactly producing the kind of results Bush and his co-conspirators desired. You certainly don't have to pull out a microscope to differentiate between George W. Bush and Hillary Clinton. Both want a continued occupation of Iraq. Both want sanctions on Iran. And they both claim to want democracy in the Middle East. Yet neither will accept a democratic outcome if it doesn't favor US interests. "Until and unless Hamas renounces violence and terror, and renounces its position calling for the destruction of Israel, I don't believe the United States should recognize them, nor any nation in the world," Hillary Clinton said recently. "[Y]ou're getting a sense of how I'm going to deal with Hamas ... And the answer is: not until you renounce your desire to destroy Israel will we deal with you," Bush told the Wall Street Journal in an interview during the elections in Palestine. Even though both express a desire to democratize the region, and in particular Iraq -- it is hard to imagine either allowing an Iraqi government to form that expressed even the slightest appreciation for the US occupation. And a democratic Iraq (where the candidates aren't chosen by US officials) would likely embody the same views as Iran concerning Israel. Love for America in the Arab lands hasn't exactly prospered these past years, and it will not likely be changing anytime soon given the unified position of the Republican and Democratic leadership in Washington. So, there you have it. Hillary Clinton and George W. Bush, both leaders of the respective parties, see eye to eye on the most pressing concerns facing the US and the Middle East today. And neither is offering up anything that will get us out of the mess we helped to make. Joshua Frank is the author of Left Out!: How Liberals Helped Reelect George W. Bush, just published by Common Courage Press. You can order a copy at a discounted through Josh's radical news blog at www.BrickBurner.org. Josh can be reached at BrickBurner@gmail.com.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (9985)	2/8/2006 6:16:24 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 22250

Re: Without any doubt, but it's clear, at least to me, that there was an agenda. The "cartoons" were not just a bit of innocent and tasteless fun... Indeed, and the agenda is simply to exacerbate the already fraught relations between native Europeans and Muslim immigrants and psych up European opinion into welcoming another crusade against Iran.... As the JP article below shows, Judeofascists are frantically clutching at every straw to pit Europeans against Muslims. They have even stirred Mossad dormant provocateur Dyab Abu Jahjah() into joining the fray: Feb. 5, 2006 18:47 \| Updated Feb. 6, 2006* Jews dragged into cartoon controversy By HERB KEINON Non-Jews slander non-Jewish prophets and then come to hang the Jews, one could say of the latest, ugly twist in the Danish cartoon controversy, paraphrasing one of Menachem Begin's most famous lines. A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization, the Arab European League, posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its Web site on Saturday in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers last year and offended many Muslims, unleashing violent demonstrations around the Islamic world. One of the AEL cartoons reportedly displayed an image of Anne Frank in bed with Hitler, and another questioned whether the Holocaust actually occurred. Dyab Abou Jahjah, the party's founder and best-known figure, defended the action on the Dutch television program Nova Saturday. "Europe has its sacred cows, even if they're not religious sacred cows," he told the program. The AEL espouses nonviolence but has gained a reputation for extremist views, and opposes Muslims integrating with non-Muslims. It promotes the participation of Muslims in political dialogue in European countries, but is internally divided as to whether or not to participate in elections directly. [...] jpost.com (*) Message 18284536 Message 18270398 Message 18284569