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To: mishedlo who wrote (53324)	2/10/2006 2:31:24 AM
From: ahhaha	Read Replies (8) \| Respond to of 110194

You still dance around the critical issue. Who will stop them from getting you? They would not bother if we were not meddling in the first place. So why is Al Qaeda attacking non-meddling countries? Why did Al Qaeda set up in Afghanistan? Because they could. Because the Clinton Admin failed to intervene even though there was a clear and present danger. Stupid US policies created Bin Laden. The Clinton Admin was too fearful of Vietnam era political heat to intensely pursue Bin Laden. You 'crats authored that. Our own CIA trained him. Bin Laden knows nothing. He is only the nominal head of the operation, the spiritual leader. Killing Bin Laden only dents the psychological aspect. It does nothing to the independent cells world wide who are self motivated. Probably the best training job they ever did too. Probably true given the decimation of the CIA by the Clintion Admin and the rest of the 'crats looking for ways to fund their useless social programs. Had US troops not been on "sacred Arab soil" and had we not stupidly backed Israel no matter what Israel did, there would be no Al Qaeda or Bin Laden to worry about in the first place. Without Israel's destruction of the Osirak nuclear reactor and under a policy of not on "sacred Arab Soil" Saddam would have already incinerated you. Please tell me how non-interference guarantees the peace. Is that part of the 'crat's "cross the line" defense theory? It should be getting clearer to anyone reading this that YOU and your 'crat associates are the true enemy. The idiot sitting in the whitehouse made matters worse by invading Iraq instead of capturing Bin Laden. What will be accomplished by capturing Bin Laden? Nothing. Bin Laden is the head of nothing. That's why Al Qaeda is so insidious. As time passes the cells look less and less that way because there's nothing coming from there except broadcast vague threats. I know how you and your 'crats fellows look at it though. If Bin Laden was captured, you'd start dismantling the military so you could spend the money on more useless social programs, and you'd ignore all those terror threats still hiding in the cells. On the other hand if the US and other countries work to strengthen vulnerable countries, the cells have no position to start action. The US had global support after 911 but we stupidly wasted that support by invading a country for no reason. Man are you a sucker. You bit the big pile of media myth and deceptions big time. Do you think the other countries in the world are as stupid as you are? They can't come out and make an overt stand or they will be targeted by Al Qaeda, but under what is visible to the fools in media, the world's nations are all on the same page. They all agree, and they're glad the US is taking the lead, and they're glad we're making the stand in Iraq, and they're helping covertly. Why are they doing this? Because it's in their sovereign interest. The more innocent people we kill the more terrorists we will create. The more terrorists we kill the more innocent people join our cause. Please tell me how many innocent people would have been killed under the benevolence of Al Qaeda. You can't go there, because you think they would never do anything all based on the assumption that if the US showed no power then others wouldn't attack. Why do you think that way? Because you're incredibly naive and stupid, and haven't learned a thing from history. You've never studied history. Did you graduate from high school? You never would have been graduated from my high school. Pakistan was 90% in favor of the US after 911. Now they practically idolize Bin Laden as a hero. That's total bullshit. Grasping for straws? Iran was cooperating with the US after 911. How do you know that? You don't. Some media liar put that bs in your ear, and you bought because it supports your traitorous jabberings. Bush, the idiot that he is, failed to capitalize on that. You, the idiot, failed high school. How are you able to survive? By giving radio talk shows where you exhibit your superior knowledge of economics and politics? That is the sad fact of this administration and its policies. The fact is that this administration has stopped the attacks. They would start up if your 'crats were in power. If we stop stupid actions they will stop coming after us There it is. Did you read above where I asserted you were an illiterate who doesn't have so much as a high school education? Don't you see that you're saying we must formulate our policy under threat? It is clear you have no idea what sovereignty is. No President would ever accept that criterion. But look at the consequences of taking that tack. It invites secret attack. That is what you right wing nut jobs simply fail to understand. Why are you so confident in what goes against all history? Can you give one example where unilateral withdrawal maintains the peace? I can give unlimited examples to the contrary. Why would you be so stupid? Why are you so stupid? You have learned NOTHING from history Unbelievable. What history are you talking about? How to be a conquered people? or nothing from what Bin Laden said, Are you saying you have learned something from him? Please tell me what it is. and he is laughing at the US right now (if he is still alive) about us spending ourselves into oblivion. That's what it's all about for you 'crats. Image. Prestige. That's how you expect defense to work. No one would attack image and prestige. Your "history" has shown it. There is no FN such thing as "a war on terror". Terror is a method. That method is being used because we meddle where we have no FN right to be. Sorry to tell you but the world is a small and closed place. Isolationism won't isolate you from A bombs, and sweet dreams about the benevolence of man won't secure the peace. Applying force is necessary. Don't apply it and they will apply it against you. That method will decrease if you and the assholes you support would have rational foreign policy. Rational foreign policy? Like hide in a hole like an ostrich and ignore the lessons of history? The US did that with Japan. We won't do it again. Does that answer your question? No. You still dance around the critical issue. Who will stop them from getting you?.

To: mishedlo who wrote (53324)	2/10/2006 2:32:32 AM
From: Little Joe	Read Replies (6) \| Respond to of 110194

Mish: I don't think your criticism of Bush is fair or correct. I certainly am critical of him for many reasons but the Iraq war is not one of them. "Stupid US policies created Bin Laden. Our own CIA trained him. Probably the best training job they ever did too. Had US troops not been on "sacred Arab soil" and had we not stupidly backed Israel no matter what Israel did, there would be no Al Qaeda or Bin Laden to worry about in the first place." Whether this is true or not, it is certainly not Bush who implemented these policies. He was presented with a fait accompli and had to deal with the situation as he found it. I believe he was in office less than a year when 9/11 occurred. It is a cliche to say that 9/11 was a wake up call. But cliches are usually true. It is naive to think that because Bin Ladin was behind that particular attack that there are not other terrorist groups that have attempted similar terrorist acts but failed. Capturing Bin Ladin would be satisfying but it will hardly solve our problems. It is clear that the goal of Bin Ladin and other terrorist groups is to sieze power in the ME and thus control of oil and then use oil as a weapon. This would be a disaster for our economy. If you think things are bad now imagine the world if Bin Ladin or one of his ilk controlled Saudi Arabia. It was obvious from the first gulf war, Afghanistan and the current war that we needed cooperation of other countries in the Middle East in order to fight a war and that it took more than 6 months to build up the forces necessary. If terrorists controlled the middle east this would not be possible. Our economy would be destroyed. It is obvious from a quick glance at a map that Iraq is strategically located and bases there will allow us to project power quickly throughout the ME. That is why we are in Iraq. Fortunately for us Sadam was the perfect villain and provided the justification, but this war is about oil, it is about economic survival and I believe that Bush had little alternative but to do what he did. Calling him names doesn't change the harsh reality of our situation. Little joe