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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/11/2006 11:59:34 AM
From: average joe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
I'm not sure what you're asking me or trying to put across but dogs need to eat to even the tasty yellow ones. Oui?

If clear cutting a jungle in some remote part of the third world is going to give sustenance to a farmer and his family who am I to stop him. I certainly would not have the audacity to judge him. The I've got mine but you can't have yours mantra is hardly a compassionate attitude. Oui?

Scripture is a collection of stories some of them very good but I would not use it as a guiding principle any more than I would use the Washington Post. Oui?

If you ever spent a lot of time in the elements you would come to appreciate the golden arches when you saw them. Oui?



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/12/2006 2:00:03 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
MORE MADNESS OF KING GEORGE
THIS is the way he's gonna PAY FOR HIS PROGRAMS!????
California environmentalists oppose Bush plan to sell forest land
ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 2/10/06 | Gillian Flaccus - ap

Posted on 02/10/2006 7:17:41 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Environmental groups sharply criticized the Bush administration's proposal to sell up to 85,000 acres of national forests in California to pay for rural schools, saying the loss of protected land in an already crowded state would be devastating.

California would lose the most acreage of any state under the plan, which calls for the sale of more than 300,000 acres in 34 states. The list includes up to 500 parcels in 16 national forests located across the Golden State, with the Central Valley and Northern California potentially losing the most open space.

The plan also lists possible, smaller, sales in seven national forests in Southern California, including the Los Padres, Angeles and San Bernardino forests.

The proposal would help raise $800 million over the next five years to pay for schools and roads in rural counties hurt by logging cutbacks on federal land. The Bureau of Land Management also plans to sell federal lands to raise an estimated $250 million over five years.

In California, environmentalists and politicians decried the plan, saying the state can't afford to lose more public land, particularly in crowded metropolitan areas such as the Riverside-San Bernardino area and the Central Coast.

"The urban population in Ventura County and the surrounding area is skyrocketing and the infusion of people in the national forest is just increasing," said Alan Sanders, conservation chair of the Los Padres Chapter of the Sierra Club.

The list includes four possible parcels from the Los Padres National Forest, which straddles Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, for a total of 430 acres.

"The idea that you would start selling off parcels and have people build residences and industrial uses in areas that aren't getting enough protection right now is just wrong," he said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., called the proposal "a terrible idea based on a misguided sense of priorities."

"California's remaining wildlands are diminishing at a rapid rate, and we need, at the very least, to keep what we have, not to sell them off to the highest bidder," she said in a statement.

Agriculture Undersecretary Mark Rey, who directs U.S. forest policy, said the parcels to be sold are isolated, expensive to manage or no longer meet the needs of the 193 million-acre national forest system. Fewer than 200,000 of the 309,000 acres identified Friday are likely to be sold, Rey said.

"Every acre is precious," said Carl Holguin, a spokesman with the U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service in Vallejo. "But some of these are parcels that have been identified as surplus to our long-term management objectives."

That's no consolation to Lynn Adler, who runs the Sacramento-based Mountain Lion Foundation, which is dedicated to preserving open space for the big cats. She says each mountain lion needs 100 acres of space - about the amount of acreage that's proposed for sale in the Angeles National Forest.



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/14/2006 7:13:25 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 36917
 
biz.yahoo.com
things are changing



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/15/2006 3:21:10 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
I thought God our Father had done all this 5,766 years ago
Is this Intelligent Design delayed?

Cane toads in Australia develop longer legs: study

55 minutes ago

Cane toads in Australia have developed longer legs to enable them to invade more territory, scientists said on Wednesday.

The poisonous toads, which are a threat to native species, were introduced into Australia 70 years ago to control insect pests in sugar cane fields.

They have since spread across one million square kilometers in the north and east of the country and have become one of the continent's worst environmental disasters.

Their territory is likely to get larger because the toads' longer legs make them faster, according to Richard Shine and researchers at the University of Sydney.

"We find that toads with longer legs can not only move faster and are the first to arrive in new areas, but also that those at the front have longer legs than toads in older populations," Shine said in a report in the journal Nature.

The researchers studied toads leading the invasion about 60 km (37 miles) east of the northern city of Darwin. They discovered that the first toads to arrive in new areas had longer hind legs than those that came later.

The scientists believe the toads evolved longer legs to conquer new territory to get to better food supplies.

They added that efforts to control the pests should be launched before the toads evolve into even more dangerous adversaries.



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/16/2006 12:42:47 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
Don't know exactly what this portends, but probably not something good
michaelmandeville.com



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/17/2006 12:02:22 PM
From: Skywatcher  Respond to of 36917
 
fantastic news about caribbean dutch antilles reef!

news.bbc.co.uk
fantasygames.telegraph.co.uk



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/17/2006 2:39:59 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 36917
 
Global Warming Comes to the Breakfast Table
Laurie David
02.16.2006

After the warmest January on record, maple syrup producers in Ohio were surprised to have recently discovered premature maple tree buds. Budding of maples at this early date is unprecedented and means that, for the first time in living memory, there will be little or no maple syrup from the trees of Northeastern Ohio this year.

"My family has been making maple syrup on our Trumbull County farm since just after the civil war, and it is abundantly clear to us that something is dreadfully wrong in the maple woodlots here," said Tony
Logan, an Ohio resident. Tony's brother, Joe Logan, a fifth-generation family farmer, maple sugar producer, and president of the Ohio Farmers Union agrees: "This warming may soon impair the ability of the farmers in this state to make a living from what they have been doing for over a hundred years." Ohio is presently the fifth-largest producer of maple syrup in the country. Preliminary discussions with other maple syrup producers in the area confirm that the premature maple budding phenomenon is an area-wide concern.

The shocking thing about this story is that it is not about melting glaciers in faraway Alaska or snow melt at the North Pole, but about the impact of global warming on a very American rite of spring. "The gathering of maple sap is how we all here know the season is upon us," says Joe Logan. "This is a cruel hoax on the trees and us." A budding maple tree in early February is bad news for the farmer -- and for anyone who enjoys delicious "made in America" maple syrup on their pancakes. Imminent change is upon us -- not just in Ohio and Alaska, but at breakfast tables all across the United States.
huffingtonpost.com



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/19/2006 9:00:43 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
State Sues E.P.A. for Files on Household Pollutants
nytimes.com

"...the Environmental Protection Agency is refusing to turn over
records detailing the levels of smog-causing compounds found in common
household and industrial products like paints and varnishes...In
refusing to turn over the records, the E.P.A. appears to be siding with
paint manufacturers..."



To: James Calladine who wrote (5857)2/20/2006 2:13:51 PM
From: Skywatcher  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 36917
 
This is what WORLD TAX money should be used for....F THE GUNS
Segway creator unveils his next act
Inventor Dean Kamen wants to put entrepreneurs to work bringing water and electricity to the world's poor.
By Erick Schonfeld, Business 2.0 Magazine editor-at-large
February 16, 2006: 2:06 PM EST

San Francisco (Business 2.0) - Dean Kamen, the engineer who invented the Segway, is puzzling over a new equation these days. An estimated 1.1 billion people in the world don't have access to clean drinking water, and an estimated 1.6 billion don't have electricity. Those figures add up to a big problem for the world—and an equally big opportunity for entrepreneurs.

To solve the problem, he's invented two devices, each about the size of a washing machine that can provide much-needed power and clean water in rural villages.

"Eighty percent of all the diseases you could name would be wiped out if you just gave people clean water," says Kamen. "The water purifier makes 1,000 liters of clean water a day, and we don't care what goes into it. And the power generator makes a kilowatt off of anything that burns."

Light in the darkness
Kamen is not alone in his quest. He's been joined by Iqbal Quadir, the founder of Grameen Phone, the largest cell phone company in Bangladesh. Last year, Quadir took prototypes of Kamen's power machines to two villages in his home country for a six-month field trial. That trial, which ended last September, sold Quadir on the technology.

So much so in fact that Quadir's startup, Cambridge, Mass.-based Emergence Energy, is negotiating with Kamen's Deka Research and Development to license the technology. Quadir then hopes to raise $30 million in venture capital to start producing the power machines. (With the exception of the Segway, which Kamen's own company sold, Kamen has typically licensed his inventions to others.)

The electric generator is powered by an easily-obtained local fuel: cow dung. Each machine continuously outputs a kilowatt of electricity. That may not sound like much, but it is enough to light 70 energy-efficient bulbs. As Kamen puts it, "If you judiciously use a kilowatt, each villager can have a nighttime."

A satellite picture of the earth at night shows swaths of darkness across Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and Africa. For the people living there, a simple light bulb would mean an extension of both their productivity and their leisure times.

Entrepreneurial power
The real invention here, though, may be the economic model that Kamen and Quadir hope to use to distribute the machines. It is fashioned after Grameen Phone's business, where village entrepreneurs (mostly women) are given micro-loans to purchase a cell phone and service. The women, in turn, charge other villagers to make calls.

"We have 200,000 rural entrepreneurs who are selling telephone services in their communities," notes Quadir. "The vision is to replicate that with electricity."

During the test in Bangladesh, Kamen's Stirling machines created three entrepreneurs in each village: one to run the machine and sell the electricity, one to collect dung from local farmers and sell it to the first entrepreneur, and a third to lease out light bulbs (and presumably, in the future, other appliances) to the villagers.

Kamen thinks the same approach can work with his water-cleaning machine, which he calls the Slingshot. While the Slingshot wasn't part of Quadir's trial in Bangladesh, Kamen thinks it can be distributed the same way. "In the 21st century, water will be delivered by an entrepreneur," he predicts.

The Slingshot works by taking in contaminated water – even raw sewage -- and separating out the clean water by vaporizing it. It then shoots the remaining sludge back out a plastic tube. Kamen thinks it could be paired with the power machine and run off the other machine's waste heat.

Compared to building big power and water plants, Kamen's approach has the virtue of simplicity. He even created an instruction sheet to go with each Slingshot. It contains one step: Just add water, any water. Step two might be: add an entrepreneur.

"Not required are engineers, pipelines, epidemiologists, or microbiologists," says Kamen. "You don't need any -ologists. You don't need any building permits, bribery, or bureaucracies."

The price of freedom
Still, even if some of the technical challenges have been solved ("I know the technology works and I'd fall on my sword to prove it," insists Kamen), the economic challenges still loom.

Kamen's goal is to produce machines that cost $1,000 to $2,000 each. That's a far cry from the $100,000 that each hand-machined prototype cost to build.

Quadir is going to try and see if the machines can be produced economically by a factory in Bangladesh. If the numbers work out, not only does he think that distributing them in a decentralized fashion will be good business -- he also thinks it will be good public policy. Instead of putting up a 500-megawatt power plant in a developing country, he argues, it would be much better to place 500,000 one-kilowatt power plants in villages all over the place, because then you would create 500,000 entrepreneurs.

"Isn't that better for democracy?" Quadir asks. "We see a shortage of democracy in the world, and we are surprised. If you strengthen the economic hands of people, you will foster real democracy."

Lights, water, freedom. Now that's entrepreneurial.