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To: combjelly who wrote (273624)	2/12/2006 12:34:59 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 1577011

Nixon dropped more bombs on Vietnam than all forces did in the entire WWII. The reason we couldn't win was not effort or expense, it was because the whole basis for the war was a lie. McNamara admits in FOG OF WAR (30 years later) that Vietnam (like Iraq now) was actually a Civil War and that we were attacking many of the very people we were trying to get on our side. Every bomb dropped in Vietnam created more enemies of the US. So it was a hopeless plan. Plus, it didn't take long for our soldiers over there to realize it was all FUBAR and immoral.

To: combjelly who wrote (273624)	2/12/2006 12:45:51 PM
From: Jim McMannis	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577011

George Allen profootballhof.com

To: combjelly who wrote (273624)	2/12/2006 1:21:05 PM
From: steve harris	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1577011

lol you're arguing with a bot that thinks kerry ended the vietnam war...

To: combjelly who wrote (273624)	2/12/2006 1:34:06 PM
From: Glenn Petersen	Respond to of 1577011

Attempting to have a rationale conversation with the self-described American Spirit is an exercise in futility. I have always suspected that Nixon knew from the start that the Vietnam War could probably not be won in any traditional sense. I think that he started from his first day in office on a plan to extract the U.S. from Vietnam, though he could not admit that publicly. He knew that we could not withdraw in a precipitous manner, one that would be perceived as a rout. We were in the middle of the Cold War, after all. His solution, a mixture of geographical expansion, intensified bombing, and "Vietnamization," had some unintended and unfortunate consequences. Who knows, his policies might have been more successful if not for Watergate and an emboldened Congress which felt it was okay to pull the plug in 1975. Our self-described "60's expert" can't even get his facts straight. He claims that Nixon was responsible for "45,000" U.S. deaths in Vietnam. The majority of our causalities occurred prior to Nixon's election. A little over 21,000 of our troops died in the 1969-1975 period. The total number of U.S. deaths peaked at 16,589 in 1968 and declined to 11,614 the next year. thewall-usa.com American Spirit also fails to mention that U.S. troop levels peaked in 1968 and had already declined by 10% at the end of 1969. 25thaviation.org I am starting to think that AS has some memory problems as I have posted these facts to him a couple of times in the past. AS also neglects to mention that JFK gave his tacit approval to the assissinations of the Diem brothers, the last democratically elected government of Vietnam.