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To: KonKilo who wrote (11856)	2/14/2006 8:47:09 AM
From: MrLucky	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540820

Re your fifth bullet point. How many americans need to die in this country before you will consider the terrorists to be more than a challenge, but an actual threat to our existence?

To: KonKilo who wrote (11856)	2/14/2006 1:54:38 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540820

So the Dems can not possibly be serious about the WOT if it is not their top issue? It's not any issue for them. They try to avoid talking about it completely. That's why I said it was pretty evident that they do not rate it as a top issue, or take it as seriously as the Republicans do. Now of course political calculations enter into it, the issue works for the Republicans better than for the Democrats, but that's also a function of not having any program beyond opposing the Republicans. Because if many of the leading Democrats explained what they really want to do - go back to the failed policies of treating terrorism as a criminal matter - they would lose much of the support they now have.

To: KonKilo who wrote (11856)	2/17/2006 11:27:30 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540820

We also did not invade Mexico after Pearl Harbor. Ahh... interesting comment... You're asserting that the Allies did not invade a neutral country in order to carry the war against the Nazis, but that's not true. We invaded Vichy French territory in North Africa in order to squeeze the Afrika Korps. Vichy France had signed an armistice with Nazi Germany, leaving Southern France and its colonial territories unoccupied by German forces. But the British killed 1,600 French sailors when they sank the French fleet out of fear it would be turned over to the Germans. wais.stanford.edu Vichy France, I reiterate, was a neutral country. And we invaded it in order to have viable bases to attack Italy and S. France. Some people opine that part of the Iraqi equation was to overthrow Saddam in order to establish a long overdue democratic presence and "base" from which to create democratic change in the rest of the region. A step that is CRUCIAL to winning the ideological war against Al Qai'da. Hawk