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To: zonkie who wrote (62284)	2/14/2006 2:27:42 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

The 18 hour period before the media was informed and when it was it wasn't even done by the VP's office is inexcusable. Nonsense. Provision was made for Mr. Whittington's injury and the accident was swiftly reported to local authorities who were on the case within the hour. J.

To: zonkie who wrote (62284)	2/14/2006 4:01:39 PM
From: JeffA	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

Your guessing he was drinking is asinine, speculation, BS that we expect from Bush Bashers. You have NOTHING to base that on.

To: zonkie who wrote (62284)	2/14/2006 7:39:05 PM
From: bentway	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"Another thing which is bothersome is cheney wouldn't meet with a lawman who wanted to investigate till the next day." OF COURSE Cheney was drunk! It's the ONLY reason not to talk to the law at the time.

To: zonkie who wrote (62284)	2/18/2006 10:45:02 PM
From: Doug R	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

The simple truth of the matter is that unless contact distances are involved (5 yards or less), most birdshot lacks the penetrating capability required to inflict meaningful wound trauma. Wounds from birdshot tend to be extremely gruesome, yet shallow. They often shred and destroy a large volume of tissue but don't penetrate deep enough to damage critical cardiovascular or CNS structures required for incapacitation. Clothing can further amplify these poor penetration characteristics. But... According to dozens of sources (like MSNBC for example), Whittington was "about thirty yards" from Cheney when he was shot. Thirty yards. I'm not a ballistics expert, but I've spent a fair amount of time behind a lot of different shotguns. And I've been thinking about this pellet in Whittington's heart. "Thirty yards..." I mumbled to myself. What type of shotgun was it? I assumed 12 gauge. Nope. It was a 28 gauge! Folks, that's a pop gun in terms of shotguns. What type of load was used? Number 7 1/2 birdshot. Again, I'm not a ballistics expert. But at thirty yards, with a 28 gauge shotgun, firing #7 1/2 birdshot, is it possible to achieve vital organ penetration on a grown man? Forget likely or not likely, is it even possible!? Some of the answer might depend on the clothes the victim was wearing, the length of the barrel and the choke used, if any. I then started wonder how many pellets struck Whittington. Get this: Until Tuesday's complications, physicians had said Whittington had been progressing well after being struck by birdshot in Saturday's hunting incident -- and that they were not concerned about the six to 200 pieces of birdshot that might still be lodged in his body. Six to 200 pieces of birdshot? They can't tell how many pellets hit Whittington? That's very interesting. Maybe these doctors forgot how to count. Pellet in the heart??? The more pellets that are lodged in Whittington's body, the closer he was to Cheney when he was shot. And the closer he was to Cheney, the deeper the shot would penetrate. So, give them a pass on the pellet reaching the heart from 30 yards out with a 28 gauge. But how can one possibly explain the "Six to 200 pieces of birdshot" nonsense? My guess is that Whittington was MUCH closer to Cheney than thirty yards when the "accident" occurred. In conclusion, I also have to say that I seriously doubt that Cheney consciously meant to murder Whittington. I don't know what the Hell happened out there, but I do know this: A 28 gauge shotgun, loaded with 7 1/2 birdshot COULD NOT be expected to do the job, unless the deed was to be done at point blank range. So, why all the nonsense and the silence/coverup on the part of Cheney and his staff? cryptogon.com Reportedly this was the first occasion for the victim, Austin "millionaire attorney" Harry Whittington, 78, to go hunting with Cheney. Naturally enough he's a Republican, and not surprisingly he's a Bush appointee: a few years ago, then-Governor George Bush named him to the Texas Funeral Services Commission. If that means anything to you, it probably means Funeralgate. TFSC was the investigating body on the case of Service Corporation International, headed by Bush family friend Robert Waltrip, which had been "recycling graves" and throwing corpses in the woods. Eliza May was the director of the TFSC when the investigation began, and was fired, she claimed, on account of pressure from the Governor's office to help his friend at SCI. Her replacement? Harry Whittington. (As we've noted, SCI has gone on to better things, like being tasked to disappear the dead of Louisiana.) Whittington was shot by the Vice President on the happy Republican hunting grounds of the 50,000 acre Armstrong Ranch of South Texas. The ranch had belonged to late Bush "Pioneer" Tobin Armstrong, who died last October, and is now the property of daughter Katherine. Perhaps the most interesting family biography belongs to Tobin's widow and Katherine's mother Anne, who advised Nixon, served as Ford's British Ambassador, and "approved covert actions on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board under Reagan." Perhaps also worth noting is that Anne was a Halliburton director when the company first hired Dick Cheney. This happened on Saturday, but the incident wasn't news until late Sunday. What happened in the interim? rigorousintuition.blogspot.com