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To: michael97123 who wrote (157961)	2/17/2006 7:45:25 PM
From: D. Long	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794268

Let them earn their way out of jail like libya did Libya's government was duly recognized while it was "in jail". It also was under a strict sanctions regime. No money. The analogy - sure, we recognize you won an election. We also will hold you to account for your actions. No money until you meet the minimal acceptable conditions: recognize Israel, renounce violence, commit to creating a two-state solution. If that is too much to ask, then there are no solutions in the Middle East. Derek

To: michael97123 who wrote (157961)	2/17/2006 7:50:22 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794268

Hamas has committed no international terror and its been limited to its war with israel. I think the Pals have a "death wish," but I wish Hamas the best. It's really not a "moral equivalent," but some of Israel's best leadership came out of the most strident fighters, the "Irgun." It is not in anybody's interest for the Pals to remain in their present state of misery. Hamas has an "incorruptable" reputation going in. That is in their favor. Of course, they have never had the kind of money available to them that they now could have. If they can dance between the rhetoric needed to keep their faithful happy while bending enough to get along with the west, perhaps they can accomplish some good. I think one of their biggest obstacles is the number one subject under discussion. Money. The whole society has spent 55 years on welfare. That's an almost impossible bar to get over. I was thinking about a related subject that is impossible to discuss at the Academic or elite level. The structural reasons for corruption in various cultures. The thing that stands out is how less corrupt the "Anglosphere" is compared to all the other cultures on the planet. There are "exceptions," but they stand out because they are exceptions. The Judicial system developed by our English "common law" heritage, combined with the our approach to private property and capitalism as a societal base, stands out. But is this it? There has to be more.

To: michael97123 who wrote (157961)	2/17/2006 10:11:37 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 794268

Between and that and driving them into the arms of the exremissts But michael, they ARE the extremists. I do them the credit of believing what they say. You seem to think they don't mean it and can be bought off easily, despite all the evidence stacked in the other direction. Hamas has committed no international terror and its been limited to its war with israel. Another great message - half off for blowing up Jews instead of other people. Thanks a bunch, mike.