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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (182955)	3/5/2006 3:34:13 PM
From: 2MAR$	Respond to of 281500

well that exchange ( & clash)between Arab-American Psychologist Wafa Sultan & the Cleric was more complete in the video . Was very surprised it took place at all... A very interesting exchange none the less ,as it was being aired on Al-Jazeera she being a woman , and her rebuff of being accused of heresy against the Prophet and God was a classic . It does clearly demonstrate the classic fundamental stance against the US and the reasons for this , at the same time nods in the direction of the existence of secular movements some are leaning towards that are beginning to play a part in the reformation of an "Islam" living in a modern world . An Islam that must also take responsibility for much of its own present crisis. Its very stereo typical and melodramatic , welcome to humanity 101 ! (lol) Everyone loves a good soap opera , especially when it leads to thinking that "we are the pure & the righteous ones" and our problems all come from without . How many leaders on both sides , are making great capital on that ? <g>

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (182955)	3/5/2006 3:35:04 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

72% of our soldier in iraq want us out in one year. 52% in six months. I dont think they are anti-war, just realistic to see our sacrifice there as not appreciated and not successful. They best get their act together. Again that includes secular control of dod and interior, sunnis giving up the foreigners and senior baathists, oil revenue sharing and some separation of church and state. David Brooks said today on Chris Matthews that the crazies we see with the guns over there take their orders from the elites and the elites should all know how bad a dismantling of iraq will be for all. Shiaa go under the thumb of iran. Kurds end up with turkish problems and ambivalent US. Sunnis wind up with their own version of the West Bank ruled by the iraqi baath remnant mafia in collusion with the jihadists.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (182955)	3/5/2006 4:03:34 PM
From: 2MAR$	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Our goldenboy Ahmadinejad was in Kuwait weds , but he has to walk a tightrope in here while being the humble champion of the Shiite world , yet not offending the rest Sunni Persian Gulf Arabs that surround Tehran . Civil war in Iraq might not be the best thing in their interest....but where there is the internal sectarian religious conflict involved , who knows . It didn't take long for the supreme Iranian mucky-muck to blame the CIA and the Mossad for the Samarra bombing, so the drama of this sterotypical soap opera just goes on and on predictably . These guys are very "believable" within their own borders to captive audiences . <g> From the Tehran Friday sermon , " lets blame the "great satan & the Jews" again , what a tag team they have going , but not very imaginative though ingeniously stereotypical :) Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, accused Washington of "trying to instigate a sectarian and religious war in Iraq, and the cataclysmic event in Samarra is a case in point", according to state television. On Friday, prayer leader Ayatollah Mohammad Kashani fulminated that "it is no secret that behind it [the Samarra bombing] is the Zionist Israel and the US". He blamed "Mossad and the CIA" (the US Central Intelligence Agency) and called the "Earth's and the heavens' curses upon these two dirty and wicked organizations", which "have plans against the Islamic ummah" (community).