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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (183673)	3/17/2006 11:49:46 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

where do you put syl, ed. Read his last 5 posts and answer that for me. HOw are you in bed with scum like him. I will answer your post when i calm down a bit.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (183673)	3/17/2006 11:53:01 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This weekend i will pick up Cobra 2. I suggest you read it too. NOne of this was inevitable and thats why i am more pissed off at bush than you are. I hate when managers fail, dont change policy and dont fire those responsible. This presidency has become horrific not because they went into iraq, even if for wrong or trumped up reasons, its because the same faces are there and they are near exhaustion. Hawk is a patriotic american who i disagree profoundly with. Guys like syl are scumbags. There is a big difference and you should know that.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (183673)	3/17/2006 11:57:47 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

you agree with this ed? From our resident anti semite syl "You are a such a right wing neoCON fascist traitor scum. The fact that you are in bed with racist bigoted fascist America hating zionists speaks volumes. You are nothing but an American hating right wing fascist. You disgust me!"

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (183673)	3/17/2006 12:02:02 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

When i was back in school and protesting vietnam--a position i still hold, there were occasions i was in the same march/demonstations with scumbags like syl. They are the guys who threw bags of shit at returning vietnam vets. It was repellent then and it is the same now. You and Hawk can disagree to the end of time but you are both americans. Guys like syl arent. They belong in a padded cell or guantanamo. Speak out Ed. Or we cant communicate anymore.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (183673)	3/17/2006 2:26:30 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Anyone...ANYONE...who doesn't "hate" the foreign policy/domestic erosion path that the Bush Administration has put us on shares far different values than those of our fathers and grandfathers. Strongly opposing that path is not an emotional weakness, it's the duty of an American citizen who wishes to preserve the best of America. When are you going to get a grip and quit mistating my position. CONTRARY TO YOUR MISTAKEN BELIEF, I'm LESS CONCERNED about Bush than I am about the proper policies undertaken by ANY PRESIDENT towards combatting Islamo-Fascism, as well as prodding the UN to properly perform it's role of being an advocate for democratic values and individual rights and self-determination. In fact, when it appeared that Clinton was preparting to use ground troops back in the mid-90's, I was quite supportive. Of course, he opted instead for a token military action in response to Iraq's eviction of the UNSCOM team. Might have had something to do with his troubles with Monicagate and his pending impeachment trial. But I was supporting of using military force against an intransigent Ba'thist regime that was making a mockery of the United Nations. We need to create change in the Mid-East, not just leave them to their own devices in the face of the Islamo-Fascist trends throughout the region. There will be no democratic reforms in the region with totalitarian regimes still in place. Iraq was a natural target for change and reform given it's intransigence on WMDs, along with its invasion of Kuwait. The authority to overthrow Saddam was manifest in the binding resolutions pending against it. Instead, over the course of 13 years, people like yourself were content to let this petty dictator undermine and corrupt the United Nations, creating the impression that if he could circumvent his obligations, then other nations in the region could do so as well. And now we find out that Iran had been secreting working on nuclear enrichment for 18 years and had DELIBERATELY sought to dupe the west about its true intentions. If we're going to advance the cause of democracy and individual freedoms, we need to do it one country at a time. And Iraq, sitting in the midst of a number of totalitarian and Islamo-Fascist states, is a PRIME target for such reform. And I'm saying it will be easy, nor quick. But it's worth fighting for now, so that we don't have to wage an even greater struggle in the future. Hawk