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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (183944)	3/22/2006 7:22:37 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Perhaps everyone including all the anti-war dogooders should read your entire link, Hawk. It certainly shows what we are up against, even if most of those folks don't want to admit it. jihadwatch.org Here's one of the comments that button it up... This is why the voices of so called "moderate muslims". It starts with the intimate melding of religion and politics, and the first casualty is reason, and the logical voice of dissent. Critical analysis and dissent, which are so important and prevelant in western societies, is squelched because the dissenter goes from being a critic of the political system to a crictic of the religion, thus a heretic, and ultimately an apostate. Next, the reasonable critic goes to the gallows. Islam is the death of reason. Posted by: Traveller at April 20, 2004 10:29 AM

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (183944)	3/23/2006 3:45:24 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawk re: ...they say their law has the right to kill him because of his religion and that his religion isn't theirs.... "This is quite a stink because this backward thinking from a so-called religion of mercy sets the stage for a distinct loss of support for assisting muslim people to have democratic reforms." And why would that be, Hawk? Could it be because a democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq or any of the other majority Muslim countries would, far from protecting the "God-given rights" you trumpet, destroy those rights? If America knew what the laws would require under majority Shiite rule we'd shudder at the thought of majority rule by such people? Who's been telling you that for months while you've been touting the "God given, inalienable" right of all men to choose leaders who'll enforce their views? Who told you that you were a fool if you thought democracy in the Middle East would result in a better life for the minority sects and religions? Who told you that the "flower of democracy" would not bring enlightenment and create a shining example for the rest of the region to follow? Who told you that majority rule by a narrow viewed, intolerant majority would not be a panacea? And now, when faced with a little slice of real world evidence all you can say is, "This is quite a stink because this backward thinking from a so-called religion of mercy sets the stage for a distinct loss of support for assisting muslim people to have democratic reforms." Damn straight! It's that reality thing again. Reality, the brick wall that keeps bouncing your slogan-filled head back to the ugly facts of life. Too bad so many have to die while you and Bush keep talking childish foolishness. Ed