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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Cogito who wrote (74727)	3/22/2006 9:46:54 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

allen...."If you feel that way, then it seems disingenuous for you to make statements like "Clinton and the Democrats helped radical islamists" without qualifying them. You make it sound as though they did so intentionally.".... I can't seem to locate where I used these words in recent posts here..."Clinton and the Democrats helped radical islamists"..... Could you point me to where I said that? However I did say the following >>> NATO and clinton defending radical islam in those areas democrats and republicans have screwed up in dealing with radical islam so cut your crap and face facts..... radical islam is the enemy not Bush and if a democrat should get in as President next time he/she will still have to deal with mistakes made by both parties in the past. RADICAL ISLAM is the enemy...your enemy and mine Message 22285583 If I did use those words it was in the context of whichever political party was in power at that time making a mistake and supporting radical islam even if it is unintentional.... now granted I have no idea what foriegn policy or what the USA may have been trying to accomplish by going to bat for radical islam but the outcome remains the same and at this time it appears it was a mistake to defend radical islam in Bosnia course what else could be done if innocent people were dying? What could have been done differently...hind sight sure is great. So at times in the past the USA has used and supported groups that today are their enemies. But in the case of radical islam it appears now that any support for them was a grave mistake no matter who did it. I have indicated above that I feel that bothe political have made mistakes in dealing with radical islam and now these mistakes must be dealt with. Bush is not in any way responsible for 9/11, the Cole, the embassies, the murders and riots by radical islam in so many countries of the world....radical islam and their teachings are totally responsible. Bush is responsible for at last confronting them regardless of the political fallout that I'm sure the administration new would happen.

To: Cogito who wrote (74727)	3/22/2006 10:27:18 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

Allen. ...."It is actually only in the past twenty years or so that Wahabism (the most radical and fundamentalist form of Islam) has spread around the world, starting in Saudi Arabia. That is the "radical Islam" that you speak of. The vast majority of muslims don't subscribe to it.".... This may be of interest to you. These are just some parts of a lengthy Article. Wahhabism is named after the its founder, Muhammad ibn `Abdl-Wahhab (1703-1792), and has its roots in the land now known as Saudi Arabia. Without this man, the al-Sa’ud, one of many clans spread over the Arabian Peninsula, would not have had the inspiration, reason, and determination to consolidate the power that they did and wage jihad on people they perceived to be “polytheists” – those who attribute partners in worship to Almighty God. How intimately close was Al-Sa’ud’s association with Muhammad ibn Abdl-Wahhab? Robert Lacey eloquently illustrates this association: The most extremist pseudo-Sunni movement today is Wahhabism (also known as Salafism). The most well-known Wahhabi-Salafi known to humankind today is Osama bin Laden and his al-Qa’eda terrorist organization. While many may think that Wahhabi terror is a recent phenomenon that has only targeted non-Muslims, it will surprise many to know that the orthodox Sunni Muslims were the first to be slaughtered in waves of Wahhabi terror campaigns in Arabia hundreds of years ago. One only has to read the historical evolution of Saudi Arabia to know the gruesome details of the tragedy – a tragedy commensurate to 9/11 in which thousands of Sunni and Shi’ite Muslims perished at the hands of Wahhabi militants. The extremist interpretations of Wahhabism, although previously confined to small pockets of people in Arabia, has survived to this day under the protection, finance, and tutelage of the Saudi monarchy. This has transformed Wahhabism – and related Salafi groups that receive inspiration and support from them – from a regional to a global threat to be reckoned with by the world community. To a Wahhabi-Salafi, all those who differ with them, including Sunni Muslims, Shi’ite Muslims, Christians, and Jews, are infidels who are fair targets of ideological and/or physical assault or extermination. Osama bin Laden and his followers are among the Wahhabis who are carrying the banner of Wahhabi-Salafi terror to all corners of the world today. The alliance between the Muslim Brotherhood (and its various offshoots) and the Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia was strengthened during the 1950s and 1960s in the struggle of the Muslim Brotherhood against Egypt’s Nasserist regime. Saudis had provided refuge for some leaders of the Brotherhood, and also provided assistance to them in other Arab States. It is worth pausing here to illustrate how Saudi educational institutions became the bastion of extremists of all colors. Osama bin Laden graduated from King Abdul Aziz University and received a degree in Economics and Public Administration in 1981. He was first associated with the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood over here where he met Abdullah Azzam and Muhammad Qutb, two radical teachers of Islamic studies The Wahhabi-Salafi alliance was further strengthened as a response to the growing threat of Shi’ah power when the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini of Iran revolted and overthrew the U.S.-allied Shah in 1979. Lastly, the alliance made itself manifest in the holy struggle (jihad) against the atheist/Communist Soviets in Afghanistan. Salafis of all strains worked together as the “righteous Sunnis” to counter the Shi’ah-Communist threat, from proselytizing to killing to make their salafism prevail. Indeed, salafis have used both proselytizing and revolutionary means to express their message using both political and apolitical approaches. So-called “Sunni terrorism” today is perpetrated by radical salafis who desire to replace “infidel” governments with myopic mullahs who adhere to their fanatical interpretations and ideologies. Their tentacles are spread to all corners of the globe, including Bosnia, Albania, Indonesia, Philippines, Uzbekistan, England, Malaysia, South Africa, Lebanon, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Full article >>>> shianews.com