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To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (15460)3/29/2006 7:15:08 PM
From: JohnM  Respond to of 541946
 
Well said.



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (15460)3/29/2006 9:25:16 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541946
 
I read all five of your links. The first three don't appear to address the issue of liberal bias.

Obviously. They were not intended to; they were offered as a possible explanation for declining readership.

The left wing bias links were similarly intended. There is no way that an all encompassing post can be written in a place like this so the links simply support my impressions. The explanations and the reasoning is all mine.

The internet is surely a reason for declining readership; I think I referred to it as well by suggesting that consumers of news were getting their news elsewhere.

I think the accusations of bias are a new phenomenon. I don't recall such a fuss made about it before.

The internet, perceived bias, and lack of integrity (Blair, Rather, etc.) resulting in diminished trust, are all hurting the media. To what extent each is responsible, who knows.



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (15460)3/29/2006 9:50:55 PM
From: carranza2  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 541946
 
As far as poor finances are concerned, I wonder if they played any part in the NYT taking in nearly $1 million for a series of full page ads from bloody Sudan?

As noted in the story linked below, the Sudanese cash was surely a slap in the face to Kristof, who has an ongoing series of pieces properly castigating the Sudanese government for its atrocities.

nydailynews.com

This is the kind of thing that has been hurting the media, along with the other factors we discussed.



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (15460)3/29/2006 10:15:07 PM
From: carranza2  Respond to of 541946
 
Alastair, you've sent me down the NYT rabbit trail.

Here's a piece on how the NYT seems to have mischaracterized Congressional testimony from a number of FSIA judges.

powerlineblog.com

March 29, 2006
Verdict: The New York Times Blew the Story

Yesterday, five former judges of the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Court testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the subject of the amendments to FISA that have been proposed by Senator Arlen Specter. Earlier today, we noted a remarkable contrast in the reporting on the hearing by the Washington Times and the New York Times. The Washington Times headlined its story, "FISA Judges Say Bush Within Law," and reported:

A panel of former Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judges yesterday told members of the Senate Judiciary Committee that President Bush did not act illegally when he created by executive order a wiretapping program conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA).
The New York Times headlined its article, "Judges on Secretive Panel Speak Out on Spy Program," and wrote:

Five former judges on the nation's most secretive court, including one who resigned in apparent protest over President Bush's domestic eavesdropping, urged Congress on Tuesday to give the court a formal role in overseeing the surveillance program.
In a rare glimpse into the inner workings of the secretive court, known as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, several former judges who served on the panel also voiced skepticism at a Senate hearing about the president's constitutional authority to order wiretapping on Americans without a court order.

We promised to obtain the transcript of the hearing and figure out who was right. The transcript is available here.

Having reviewed the transcript, I conclude that the Washington Times' characterization was fair, but arguably overstated. The New York Times, however, badly misled its readers. Here are the exchanges where the judges talked about the President's constitutional authority to order warrantless surveillance:

Judge Kornblum: Presidential authority to conduct wireless [Sic. Presumably Judge Kornblum meant "warrantless."] surveillance in the United States I believe exists, but it is not the President's job to determine what that authority is. It is the job of the judiciary. *** The President's intelligence authorities come from three brief elements in Article II....As you know, in Article I, Section 8, Congress has enumerated powers as well as the power to legislate all enactments necessary and proper to their specific authorities, and I believe that is what the President has, similar authority to take executive action necessary and proper to carry out his enumerated responsibilities of which today we are only talking about surveillance of Americans. ***
Senator Feinstein: Now I want to clear something up. Judge Kornblum spoke about Congress's power to pass laws to allow the President to carry out domestic electronic surveillance, and we know that FISA is the exclusive means of so doing. Is such a law, that provides both the authority and the rules for carrying out that authority, are those rules then binding on the President?

Judge Kornblum: No President has ever agreed to that. ***

Senator Feinstein: What do you think as a Judge?

Judge Kornblum: I think--as a Magistrate Judge, not a District Judge, that a President would be remiss in exercising his Constitutional authority to say that, "I surrender all of my power to a statute," and, frankly, I doubt that Congress, in a statute, can take away the President's authority, not his inherent authority, but his necessary and proper authority.

Senator Feinstein: I would like to go down the line if I could. *** Judge Baker?

Judge Baker: No, I do not believe that a President would say that.

Senator Feinstein: No. I am talking about FISA, and is a President bound by the rules and regulations of FISA?

Judge Baker: If it is held constitutional and it is passed, I suppose, just like everyone else, he is under the law too.

***

Senator Feinstein: Judge?

Judge Stafford: Everyone is bound by the law, but I do not believe, with all due respect, that even an act of Congress can limit the President's power under the Necessary and Proper Clause under the Constitution.

***

Chairman Specter: I think the thrust of what you are saying is the President is bound by statute like everyone else unless it impinges on his constitutional authority, and a statute cannot take away the President's constitutional authority. Anybody disagree with that?

[No response.]

Chairman Specter: Everybody agrees with that.

New York Times reporter Eric Lichtblau has a considerable career investment (and, I suspect, an ideological investment as well) in the idea that the NSA program is illegal. It would seem that Lichtblau's preconceptions and biases prevented him from accurately reporting what happened in the Judiciary Committee hearing yesterday. His suggestion that the main thrust of the judges' testimony was to "voice skepticism about the president's constitutional authority" is simply wrong; in fact, I can't find a single line in more than 100 pages of transcript that supports Lichtblau's reporting



To: Alastair McIntosh who wrote (15460)3/30/2006 8:38:20 AM
From: Suma  Respond to of 541946
 
I agree with your assessment. The internet has changed everything. I read our paper and then come on the internet and find contradicting articles as well as those that had concurred with what I read.

I think that the decline in readership and lack of trust in the media has more to do with the internet and the changing interests of the younger demographic. If there is any study attempting to demonstrate a link between bias and declining readership I haven't seen it.

If the media are doing their job it is only natural that the supporters of party in power will hurl accusations of bias. It is the duty of the media to question the actions and look for attempts at dissembling or obfuscation by the party in power.

I read somewhere that the only real news is what those in power don't want you to know.

ML