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To: epicure who wrote (1141)3/30/2006 9:48:23 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 14758
 
I had this in my bookmarks. I thought it was pretty decent- and I still do.

gwu.edu



To: epicure who wrote (1141)3/31/2006 12:29:22 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758
 
Heh! Heh! Of course you would rely on a blatantly misleading MSM report that intentionally neglects to report on the plethora of contrary credible evidence from the newly released documents that adds to the proof that Saddam;

- had WMD's,

- had WMD Programs that he was actively improving & hiding from UN Inspectors &

- financed, harbored, trained & worked with multiple terrorist organizations, including Al Qaeda.

Although I know you will not read the following nor follow the links, I will provide you with a sample of the evidence released thus far. You can & most likely will dismiss & ignore it as it thoroughly destroys your now firmly entrenched alternate world view. BDS seems to have that affect on libs.

***

The Saddam Tapes
'The Factories Are In Our Minds'
Message 22172884

The Saddam Tapes
     Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for
weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes
show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons
were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war
in 2003. "What they do is support the conclusion in the
report, which we made in the last couple of years, that
the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding
weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22174649

"WHERE WAS THE NUCLEAR material transported to?" asks an aide to Saddam Hussein, in a taped conversation released last week. He answers his own question: "A number of them were transported out of Iraq.".... The tapes are authentic. And they are seemingly of little interest to the U.S. government....
Message 22183631

....12 hours of conversations ....in which Saddam discusses how to conceal Iraqi weapons programs from U.N. inspectors and the possibility that the United States could be the target of terrorist attacks....
Message 22185978

"Saddam Had WMD"
...Saddam talks openly of programs involving biological, chemical and, yes, nuclear weapons. ...
Message 22210014

....As Hayes points out, Iraqi documents that have recently been translated indicate that Russia was training Iraqi intelligence agents virtually up to the outbreak of the war in 2003.....
Message 22250546

Tapes reveal WMD plans by Saddam
Message 22257522

     So Iraqi intelligence conducted "covert offensive
operations" involving "poisons" as well as explosives,
carried out "sabotage and assassination" outside of Iraq,
and trained agents in "the use of terror techniques"
abroad. Not bad for a single eight-page document.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22268851

Iraq Papers: Al-Qaeda In Iraq In 2002 In Recruitment Drive
Message 22268948

Declassified Truth
     "The Eight Directorate is responsible for development of
materials needed for covert offensive operations. It
contains advanced laboratories for testing and production
of weapons, poisons and explosives."
It goes on. Directorate 9, we discover,
     "is one of the most important directorates in the
Mukhabarat. Most of its work is outside Iraq in
coordination with other directorates, focusing on
operations of sabotage and assassination."
The document also discusses the Mukhabarat's Office 16, set up to train "agents for clandestine operations abroad." The document helpfully adds that "special six-week courses in the use of of terror techniques are provided at a camp in Radwaniyhah."
Message 22272068

ABC News Says Hussein May Have Worked With Terrorists, bin Laden
Message 22272076

Saddam's Philippines Terror Connection
...A SECOND internal Iraqi file ... concerns relations between Iraqi Intelligence and Saudi opposition groups... including Mr. bin Laden's organization...
Message 22275573

     The Saddam Fedayeen also took part in the regime's
domestic terrorism operations and planned for attacks
throughout Europe and the Middle East. In a document
dated May 1999, Saddam's older son, Uday, ordered
preparations for "special operations, assassinations, and
bombings, for the centers and traitor symbols in London,
Iran and the self-ruled areas [Kurdistan]." Preparations
for "Blessed July," a regime-directed wave of "martyrdom"
operations against targets in the West, were well under
way at the time of the coalition invasion.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22275573

That doesn't sound like a man who had discarded his nuclear program
Message 22275718

     While it would be a mistake to put too much weight on any
single document, the Mukhabarat's seeming endorsement of
FAS's description of its activities would appear to
confirm, among other things, Iraq's production of poisons
for use in "covert offensive operations," and its training
of terrorists for "clandestine operations abroad."...
...The Special Operations (14th) Directorate, located in Salman Pak 20 km south-east of Baghdad, is one of the most important and largest in Mukhabarat. This directorate undertakes the most secret and sensitive special operations outside the country. They were responsible for the attempted assassination against President Bush, and the assassination of Talib Al Suheil. It conducts joint operations with the Mujahideen Khalq Organization, and undertakes training of specially selected officers for this type of operation....
...The Salman Pak facility, by the way, is the one that had a passenger airplane used to train terrorists in airplane hijacking techniques....
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22275880

     Why was Iraqi intelligence fearful of a "foreign attack"
in December 2001? Why was the agency so intent on
preventing its documents from being captured by an enemy
in the event that Baghdad fell?
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22283149

SADDAM: Are you talking about the Biological Program...?

...LIEUTENANT GENERAL ‘AMIR: There are grounds for that, but there are no credible grounds left for the Chemical Program and missiles. However, there are grounds for the Biological Program.... we have won Russia, ahhh … we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts [payoffs] in which, you remember how and why it happened …...

...COMRADE HUSAYN:... They [UN Inspectors] have a bigger problem with the Chemical program than the Biological program, a lot bigger than the Biological program. It is not the weapons, the size of the imported material, the size of [UNINTELLIGIBLE] that we presented to them or the size of the stockpile. They knew that not all of this was true. We have not told them that we used it on Iran, nor have we told them about the size or kind of Chemical weapons that we produced, and we have not told them the truth about the imported material. Therefore, sir, if they want to raise an issue, I mean, they will see that our argument is the issue of the Biological program....
...Again sir, about the Biological and the Chemical programs, we disagree with them but not about the 17 [UNINTELLIGIBLE] Sir, this is the big issue. Some of our teams are working in one direction where another team does not know that they are working above in the same direction. Therefore, they could find it out if they wanted to. The … the reason they know about it is, that we imported a quantity from America and we imported a quantity from Europe. However, we did not come forth with the quantities. Sir, therefore, [UNINTELLIGIBLE] a problem we must pay attention to, that [UNINTELLIGIBLE] have a new relation with agents [representatives] to keep silent? No sir, I disagree. Sir, about the Nuclear program, we say that we have uncovered everything. In addition, we have an unannounced problem with the Nuclear program, and I think they know about it. I mean, there is working teams that are working and some of these teams are not known to anyone...
....Sir, getting back to the subject, are we uncovering everything? If we continue to be silent about the issue at hand, I must say that it is in our best interest not to uncover it, not only in fear of exposing the technology that we have or that we possess or to hide it for future agendas....
Message 22283195

     IIS [Iraqi intelligence] report on Kurdish activities,
mention of Kurdish reporting on Al Qaida, reference to Al
Qaida presence in Salman Pak.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22287641

ABCNews: Released Documents Show Exploration of bin Ladin/Hussein Alliance
....the document claims bin Laden was proposing to the Iraqis that they conduct "joint operations against foreign forces" in Saudi Arabia, is interesting to note that eight months after the meeting — on November 13, 1995 — terrorists attacked Saudi National Guard Headquarters in Riyadh, killing 5 U.S. military advisors. The militants later confessed on Saudi TV to having been trained by Osama bin Laden....
Message 22288235

What the captured documents show
....The documents further disclose that the Iraqi intelligence service issued detailed instructions to directors and managers of weapons sites regarding UN inspections. They were to remove files from computers,
     "remove correspondence with the atomic energy and
military industry departments concerning the prohibited
weapons" and "remove prohibited materials and equipment,
including documents and catalogs and making sure to clear
labs and storages (sic) of any traces of chemical or
biological materials that were previously used or stored..."
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22290927

     [O]n the eve of the U.S.-led invasion....  details of a
U.S. plan for war.... was disclosed to the Iraqis by the
Russian ambassador....
    [T]he Russian ambassador was Vladimir Teterenko -- the
same Teterenko that figured in the Oil-For-Food scandal...
....received over a million dollars in oil allocations
from Saddam Hussein.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22291010

Russians hid from UN inspectors in Iraq
....Note this is [written] within four months of the start of the war and.... has Russian experts hiding from U.N. teams....
Message 22294331

More on Saddam and bin Laden
...the 9/11 Report.... states... Bin Ladin asked for and received bomb making assistance from an Iraqi Intelligence bomb making specialist present at the meeting....
Message 22291781

...A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a "significant set of facts," and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda....
Message 22292305

Jihad TV - Newly released documents identify the man bin Laden wanted on Iraqi television.
Message 22294319

"Blessed July" - One of the Saddam documents details orders for an extensive terrorist operation
Message 22294321

Who's Lying Now?
Message 22294361

... IIS [Iraqi intelligence] report on Kurdish activities, mention of Kurdish reporting on Al Qaida, reference to Al Qaida presence in Salman Pak...
...A representative of the Communist Party accused the Iraqi government of hiding elements of the organization of Al-Qaeda in the region of Salman Pak, plus elements of the Turkish Workers Party and the Iranian Mujahideen Khalq and that they were studying the use of chemical weapons and whether Iraq will use them in case of....
Message 22302964

Choosing Ignorance - The New York Times finally acknowledges the Saddam documents--if only to dismiss them.
...An internal Iraqi Intelligence memo that Bergen describes as "one of the most credible documents," and was first reported by the Times in 2004, suggests that a better question is: "Why did Saddam help al Qaeda?" According to the document, Saddam Hussein personally approved bin Laden's request--made in a face-to-face meeting with Iraqi intelligence--to rebroadcast al Qaeda's anti-Saudi propaganda on Iraqi airwaves....
...The letter between two al Qaeda terrorists (of apparently high rank) makes several references to connections between the Islamists and Iraq. One passage notes that bin Laden's chief deputy, Ayman al Zawahiri, "went to Iraq and Iran" seeking support....
....The day after the 9/11 report was released, Commissioner John Lehman offered this prophetic warning...
     "There may well be--and probably will be--additional
intelligence coming in from interrogations and from
analysis of captured records and so forth which will fill
out the intelligence picture. This is not phrased as, nor
meant to be, the definitive word on Iraqi Intelligence
activities."
...As U.S. News & World Report first reported, one high-ranking Iraqi military official told U.S. interrogators that the Iraqi regime provided Zawahiri with $300,000 in 1998. Former Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi claimed to have seen documents showing that Zawahiri had been in Iraq for a gathering of Islamists in 1999. Allawi was recently back on the front pages of U.S. newspapers with his claim that Iraq was in the midst of a civil war, but the American media has showed far less interest in his oft-repeated claims that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda....
...It would be nice to know more. Unless, of course, you're The New York Times.
Message 22305228
Message 22306123

...A reader calls our attention to another of the audio tape recordings from Saddam Hussein's office....
...This one suggests that the Russians have been paid off...
...We have succeeded in a few of the U.N. paragraphs, we have won Russia, ahhh ... we have convinced Russia by way of generous accounts [payoffs], in which, you remember how and why it happened...
Message 22307165

Iraq-Libya Nuclear Connection?
...Sir, where was the Nuclear material transported to? A number of them were transported outside of Iraq...
Message 22307221



To: epicure who wrote (1141)3/31/2006 12:32:03 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 14758
 
When Cynicism Meets Fanaticism

Critiquing the critique of the war in Iraq.

Victor Davis Hanson
National Review Online

Opponents of the war in Iraq, both original critics and the mea culpa recent converts, have made eight assumptions. The first six are wrong, the last two still unsettled.

1. Saddam was never connected to al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11.

2. There was no real threat of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

3. The United Nations and our allies were justifiably opposed on principle to the invasion.

4. A small cabal of neoconservative (and mostly Jewish) intellectuals bullied the administration into a war that served Israel’s interest more than our own.

5. Saddam could not be easily deposed, or at least he could not be successfully replaced with a democratic government.

6. The architects of this war and the subsequent occupation are mostly inept (“dangerously incompetent”) — and are exposed daily as clueless by a professional cadre of disinterested journalists.

7. In realist terms, the benefits to be gained from the war will never justify the costs incurred.

8. We cannot win.


First, notice how the old criticism that Saddam was not connected to al Qaeda has now morphed into a fallback position that “Saddam was not connected to September 11” — even though the latter argument was never officially advanced as a casus belli.

Opponents have retreated to this position because we know that al Qaeda cadres were in Kurdistan, and that al Zarqawi fled to Baghdad, as did a mastermind of the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center, Abdul Rahman Yasin.

The Clinton administration in 1998 officially cited Iraqi agents as involved in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
That is part of the reason why the U.S. Senate, not the Bush administration, authorized a war against Saddam in October 2002:
    “Whereas members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing 
responsibility for attacks on the United States, its
citizens, and interests, including the attacks that
occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq."
From the slowly emerging Baathist archives, we are learning that for more than a decade Saddam’s agents had some contacts with, and offered help to, al Qaeda operatives from the Sudan to the Philippines.

The issue is closed: Saddam Hussein’s regime had a mutually beneficial association with al Qaeda.
All that remains in doubt is the degree to which Iraq’s generic support enabled al Qaeda to pull off operations like September 11. It may be that Saddam and Osama, in their views of Islam and jihad, were as antithetical to one another as Japanese and Germans were in attitudes about racial superiority. But in both cases, rogues find common ground in their opposition to hated Western liberalism


Second, we know now that worries over Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were both justified and understandable.
Postwar interviews with top Iraqi generals reveal that Saddam’s own military assumed that his stockpiles of WMDs were still current — confirming the intelligence estimates from Europe and most of the Arab world.

In addition, Iraqi arsenals of WMDs, in the judgment of both the Clinton administration and the United Nations, were still unaccounted for in March 2003. And even if the stocks were moved or destroyed, the prerequisites for the rapid mass-production of biological and chemical agents — petrodollar wealth, scientific expertise, alternate-use facilities, and a will to produce and use them — were met in Saddam’s Iraq.

Third, the opposition of the United Nations to the invasion lacks any moral significance, given the postwar revelations that the $50 billion Oil-for-Food scandal not only led to thousands of starved Iraqi civilians, but also enriched both Saddam’s family and U.N. insiders themselves. Europe’s opposition may have seemed ethical, but when one learns of French and Russian oil deals with Saddam, and German construction projects that fortified Saddam’s own Führerbunker, European principle too evaporates into nothing.


Fourth, the charge of neocon plotting has now reemerged under a patina of academic respectability in a recent paper by Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Harvard Kennedy School of Government academic dean Stephen Walt. “Some Americans believe that this was a war for oil, but there is hardly any direct evidence to support this claim. Instead, the war was motivated in good part by a desire to make Israel more secure.” At the tip of that Jewish spear was a “band” that was “small,” but of course still “a driving force”: “Within the US, the main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to Likud.” Instead of silly allegations of conspiracy theories, we are lectured ad nauseam that an “Israeli lobby” got us into Iraq.

This recrudescence of blaming Israel first is false for a variety of obvious reasons. Likud opposed much of American strategy. That is why Ariel Sharon was hated by his former base — and why there is now a new political party in Israel that suffers the same charge that it caves to American pressures all too easily. And far more influential than Israel in American academia and politics is the role of Gulf State petrodollars and worry over Middle East oil.

There is no need for an Israeli lobby in the United States, not when nearly 70 percent of the American people support Israel because it is an atoll of Western democratic values in a sea of theocracy and dictatorship. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice — no Jews there, just plenty of hard-headed veterans who are not easily hoodwinked by supposedly clever Straussians in the shadows.

Our point man in Iraq, who prior to the war urged the removal of Saddam Hussein, is Ambassador Zalmay M. Khalilzad — a Muslim and an Afghan-American. And our current general in charge of all American troops at Centcom in the Middle East, General John Abizaid, is an Arab-American. Meanwhile, the U.S. pressured Israel to get out of Gaza, to support elections on the West Bank that led to the victory of Hamas, and to dismantle more settlements.


Fifth, after the three-week victory of April 2003, we have now forgotten the earlier prognostications of millions of refugees, oil wells afire, and thousands of dead that were to follow in Iraq.
Twenty-three hundred American fatalities are grievous losses, but must be weighed against three successful elections, and the real chance that such sacrifice might result in the first true Arab democracy emerging in Iraq, with ramifications beyond the Middle East for generations to come. Currently, tens of thousands of Iraqis are the only Arabs in the world who daily risk their lives to fight al Qaeda terrorists — something that just may be in America’s interest.

Sixth, we have not had another September 11. Two-thirds of the leadership of al Qaeda is dismantled. Fifty million people have voted in Iraq and Afghanistan. Syria is out of Lebanon. The Middle East is in democratic turmoil from the Gulf to Egypt and Libya, not mired in the old autocratic stasis. The Europeans are waking up to the dangers of Islamism as the Western world seeks to deal with a nuclear Iran.

Weigh that success against the behavior of the media that sees mostly American incompetence. At CBS, Dan Rather insisted to us that a clearly forged memo, but one that fit his own ideological agenda, was authentic. Michael Isikoff relied on one anonymous — and unreliable — source about the purported desecration of a Koran that had serious consequences for thousands in the Middle East. CNN’s executive Eason Jordan admitted that his network passed on coverage of a mass-murdering Saddam Hussein — and later he wrongly alleged that the American military deliberately targeted journalists in Iraq.

Now we hear Time Baghdad Bureau Chief Michael Ware, in a drunken, live interview
(“In fact, I'm drinking now…I try to stay as drunk for as long as possible while I'm here”) from the heart of dry Muslim Iraq, recklessly throwing around charges that American soldiers are guilty of manhandling Iraqi women (“We've seen allegations that women have been mishandled or roughly handled. That always inflames passions”) and terrorizing civilians (“We've also seen insurgents criticize other insurgent groups, 'cause you're not doing enough to get the chicks out! I mean, that's how important it can be, this is a matter of great honor, and it's a spark”). Ware’s are precisely the lies and fantasies that feed the Islamists.

Indeed, the better example of ineptitude in this war lies with the media that demands from others apologies for incompetence that it will never offer itself. Few professions today ask so much of so many others and so very little of themselves.


Seventh, we won’t know the ultimate judgment of costs and benefits in Iraq until its parliament convenes and the executive government is formed and operates. If we leave now and a Lebanon follows, then, of course, the invasion was a costly mistake. If we secure the country for a constitutional government that brings freedom, order, and prosperity to its long-suffering people, then it will be the most welcomed global development since the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Had the British and Americans quit in 1943 — after Pearl Harbor, the fall of Singapore and the Philippines, the Kasserine Pass, Tobruk, and other assorted disasters — then the carnage of 1939 to 1943 would have properly been seen as a tragedy that led not to emergence of a free Europe and a reborn Japan, but as needless sacrifice against the unstoppable juggernaut of Asian and German fascism.

As for the eighth complaint that we cannot win (or “the war is lost”), the verdict is still in the future and depends mostly on us.

Our military cannot be defeated by either the Islamists or their autocratic supporters. We have the right strategy of hunting down terrorists, securing the homeland, and insidiously, but carefully, promoting democratic reform in the Middle East (an impossible notion, by the way, with the sinister presence of an oil rich and genocidal Saddam Hussein, given his history of attacking four of his neighbors.)

We have even articulated, at last, an exegesis of the dangers of radical Islam — why it hates Western freedom and how it thrives on the oil, misery, and dictatorship of the Middle East.

There remains this last unknown — how well can a liberal democracy, in its greatest age of affluence, leisure, and self-critical reflection, still fight a distant war against emissaries of the Dark Ages who seek to behead apostates, blow up democrats, and silence with death writers, journalists, and cartoonists. It is not just our democratic values versus their IEDs, but whether our idealism still has the resilience to defeat their nihilism.

Or put more directly: Can Western enlightenment and power, embedded in deep cynicism, still prevail over ignorance and self-inflicted pathology energized by fanaticism?

— Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is the author, most recently, of A War Like No Other. How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.

nationalreview.com



To: epicure who wrote (1141)7/25/2006 12:27:06 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 14758
 
Iraqi Intel Memo Describes Osama Connection

By Captain Ed on Saddam's Documents
Captain's Quarters

FMSO has translated a new set of documents from those captured in the fall of Saddam Hussein, and one of them seems very provocative indeed. A memo from the Afghan section of the Directorate of Counterintelligence (M5) to the head of M5 dated September 15th, 2001 relays information from an Afghani source that Taliban consul discussed the relationship between Osama, Iraq, and the Taliban. Document CMPC-2003-001488 had previously been translated by Iraqi blogger Omar at Iraq the Model for Pajamas Media last March, but now has been translated by the government:

<<< Office of the Presidency Intelligence Service M5/3/9/2
The Honorable Mr. General Director Manager M5
Subject: Information

Our Afghani source numbered 11002 had provided us with the information on the denotation paper number -1- )
The Afghani Consul Ahmad Dahstani (the information on the denotation paper number (2)) had mentioned in front of him with the followings:

1. Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban Group in Afghanistan were in touch with the Iraqis and that group of the Talibans and Osama Bin Laden had visited Iraq.

2. The United States of America has evidence that the Iraqi government and Osama Bin Laden's group expressed cooperation among themselves in bombing targets in American.

3. In case Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban were proven to have been involved in carrying out these terrorist operations, it could be possible that the United Stated will attack both Iraq and Afghanistan.

4. The Afghani consul heard about the connection between the Iraqis and the Osama Bin Laden group during his stay in Iran.

5. Upon what has been presented we suggest writing to the Intention Committee with the above information.

Please revise…Your recommendation …. With appreciation, >>>

Four days after 9/11, the North Africa and East Asia bureau of the Counterintelligence Directorate appeared very concerned with this information being discussed, so much so that the information went right to the top of the directorate.

captainsquartersblog.com

iraqthemodel.blogspot.com

blogs.pajamasmedia.com