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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184361)3/31/2006 11:57:59 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
my hats off to you Noel. That was a very thought provoking post. I have one question on one relatively minor point. I may have more comments later on.

How would "A simple adjustment of transport patterns...solve US dependence on ME oil?" In a global system oil is fungible so if we were able to do that we would be forcing someone else to take Mideast oil and become more dependent. Am I missing something here.



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184361)3/31/2006 2:48:16 PM
From: geode00  Respond to of 281500
 
Brazil, unlike the US, will be energy independent this year. This is due to their investment, since the 1970s in ethanol from sugarcane and the Flex cars which run on it.

Brazil. Ahead of the US.

Unbelievable.



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184361)3/31/2006 5:21:42 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Brazil, China and India need more oil. Certainly China will not allow a take over by al-Qaeda.

So it's alright to have Chinese troops in Saudi Arabia?

Can you say "Armageddon"?

2) The amount of oil available is diminishing and rapidly. Even if ME oil reserves last 20 years, and I don't think they will, the international economic power you claim is a fast diminishing one. Look at the reality of ME oil. It's influence is on the wane.

So let's see.. economically speaking you're claiming that a lower global supply of oil, combined with a ever increasing demand equation, equates to diminishing economic power for the ME oil producing states??

That just doesn't make sense. If anything, with oil prices on the increase, and some projecting $100/barrel oil, their international power INCREASES!!

We are tied down in Iraq and resources could be better used in Afghanistan.

Used to do what?? Invade Pakistan?? Do you know that we don't have any actual port access to Afghanistan? Everything has to either be flown in, or shipped in via Pakistan.

And here you want to increase the number of troops in Afghanistan for some undefined mission??

Cut the head off and the body dies. If it's a Medusa then use resources to cut all the heads off.

So maybe you DO want to invade the "badlands" of Pakistan, and/or Saudi Arabia!! Because those two countries are currently the primary sources of Islamo-Fascist activities.

I think it's best that we continue to encourage Pakistan to moderate and constrain their Islamo-Fascist factions without causing a civil war to erupt. We should also continue to seek to defend the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan to prevent re-infiltration of Taliban and AQ forces. And I think the number of troops we currently have there are accomplishing this mission.

Let the Iraqis deal with the problem, they have a vested interest in getting rid of al-Qaeda and the terrorists.

Oh? what part of the Iraqi population has such a vested interest? Certainly the Shi'a.. Certainly the Kurds. Increasingly the Sunnis... But as I've mentioned previously, I suspect that the Ba'thists and Zarqawi have formed an alliance, primarily supported by former Iraqi Intelligence Members, who have a vested interest in undermining and toppling the government. And I have a belief that the "quid pro quo" will be to permit Zarqawi to use Iraq as base of operations from which to conduct further terrorist operations.

One has to recognize that Iraq is about ME oil. That can be changed by reducing US dependence on ME oil.

No kidding... And here I thought it was all about camel racing and polygamy.

However, the US is only dependent upon 10% of it's imported oil being derived from the M-E. So where is the rest of the 90% of that M-E oil being sold??

And let's not forget that, EVEN IF Saudi oil production does drastically decrease, it will make that country EVEN MORE volatile given that 50% of its population is under 20 years of age. Saudi Arabia has a tremendous burden in continuing economic growth in order to provide jobs for these people. Because it's certain the Kingdom is not going to be able to continue providing monetary subsidies and stipends.

Thus, I still fail to see where anything you're presenting is a solution that is far better than what is currently being pursued.

Hawk



To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184361)3/31/2006 8:09:36 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
'The Last Helicopter'
Mideast dictators try to "wait Bush out." They may be miscalculating.

BY AMIR TAHERI
Wednesday, March 29, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

Hassan Abbasi has a dream--a helicopter doing an arabesque in cloudy skies to avoid being shot at from the ground. On board are the last of the "fleeing Americans," forced out of the Dar al-Islam (The Abode of Islam) by "the Army of Muhammad." Presented by his friends as "The Dr. Kissinger of Islam," Mr. Abbasi is "professor of strategy" at the Islamic Republic's Revolutionary Guard Corps University and, according to Tehran sources, the principal foreign policy voice in President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's new radical administration.

For the past several weeks Mr. Abbasi has been addressing crowds of Guard and Baseej Mustadafin (Mobilization of the Dispossessed) officers in Tehran with a simple theme: The U.S. does not have the stomach for a long conflict and will soon revert to its traditional policy of "running away," leaving Afghanistan and Iraq, indeed the whole of the Middle East, to be reshaped by Iran and its regional allies.

To hear Mr. Abbasi tell it the entire recent history of the U.S. could be narrated with the help of the image of "the last helicopter." It was that image in Saigon that concluded the Vietnam War under Gerald Ford. Jimmy Carter had five helicopters fleeing from the Iranian desert, leaving behind the charred corpses of eight American soldiers. Under Ronald Reagan the helicopters carried the corpses of 241 Marines murdered in their sleep in a Hezbollah suicide attack. Under the first President Bush, the helicopter flew from Safwan, in southern Iraq, with Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf aboard, leaving behind Saddam Hussein's generals, who could not believe why they had been allowed live to fight their domestic foes, and America, another day. Bill Clinton's helicopter was a Black Hawk, downed in Mogadishu and delivering 16 American soldiers into the hands of a murderous crowd.

According to this theory, President George W. Bush is an "aberration," a leader out of sync with his nation's character and no more than a brief nightmare for those who oppose the creation of an "American Middle East." Messrs. Abbasi and Ahmadinejad have concluded that there will be no helicopter as long as George W. Bush is in the White House. But they believe that whoever succeeds him, Democrat or Republican, will revive the helicopter image to extricate the U.S. from a complex situation that few Americans appear to understand.

Mr. Ahmadinejad's defiant rhetoric is based on a strategy known in Middle Eastern capitals as "waiting Bush out." "We are sure the U.S. will return to saner policies," says Manuchehr Motakki, Iran's new Foreign Minister.

Mr. Ahmadinejad believes that the world is heading for a clash of civilizations with the Middle East as the main battlefield. In that clash Iran will lead the Muslim world against the "Crusader-Zionist camp" led by America. Mr. Bush might have led the U.S. into "a brief moment of triumph." But the U.S. is a "sunset" (ofuli) power while Iran is a sunrise (tolu'ee) one and, once Mr. Bush is gone, a future president would admit defeat and order a retreat as all of Mr. Bush's predecessors have done since Jimmy Carter.

Mr. Ahmadinejad also notes that Iran has just "reached the Mediterranean" thanks to its strong presence in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and the Palestinian territories. He used that message to convince Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to adopt a defiant position vis-à-vis the U.N. investigation of the murder of Rafiq Hariri, a former prime minister of Lebanon. His argument was that once Mr. Bush is gone, the U.N., too, will revert to its traditional lethargy. "They can pass resolutions until they are blue in the face," Mr. Ahmadinejad told a gathering of Hezbollah, Hamas and other radical Arab leaders in Tehran last month.

According to sources in Tehran and Damascus, Mr. Assad had pondered the option of "doing a Gadhafi" by toning down his regime's anti-American posture. Since last February, however, he has revived Syria's militant rhetoric and dismissed those who advocated a rapprochement with Washington. Iran has rewarded him with a set of cut-price oil, soft loans and grants totaling $1.2 billion. In response Syria has increased its support for terrorists going to fight in Iraq and revived its network of agents in Lebanon, in a bid to frustrate that country's democratic ambitions.

It is not only in Tehran and Damascus that the game of "waiting Bush out" is played with determination. In recent visits to several regional capitals, this writer was struck by the popularity of this new game from Islamabad to Rabat. The general assumption is that Mr. Bush's plan to help democratize the heartland of Islam is fading under an avalanche of partisan attacks inside the U.S. The effect of this assumption can be witnessed everywhere.

In Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf has shelved his plan, forged under pressure from Washington, to foster a popular front to fight terrorism by lifting restrictions against the country's major political parties and allowing their exiled leaders to return. There is every indication that next year's elections will be choreographed to prevent the emergence of an effective opposition. In Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, arguably the most pro-American leader in the region, is cautiously shaping his post-Bush strategy by courting Tehran and playing the Pushtun ethnic card against his rivals.

In Turkey, the "moderate" Islamist government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan is slowly but surely putting the democratization process into reverse gear. With the post-Bush era in mind, Mr. Erdogan has started a purge of the judiciary and a transfer of religious endowments to sections of the private sector controlled by his party's supporters. There are fears that next year's general election would not take place on a level playing field.

Even in Iraq the sentiment that the U.S. will not remain as committed as it has been under Mr. Bush is producing strange results. While Shiite politicians are rushing to Tehran to seek a reinsurance policy, some Sunni leaders are having second thoughts about their decision to join the democratization process. "What happens after Bush?" demands Salih al-Mutlak, a rising star of Iraqi Sunni leaders. The Iraqi Kurds have clearly decided to slow down all measures that would bind them closer to the Iraqi state. Again, they claim that they have to "take precautions in case the Americans run away."

There are more signs that the initial excitement created by Mr. Bush's democratization project may be on the wane. Saudi Arabia has put its national dialogue program on hold and has decided to focus on economic rather than political reform. In Bahrain, too, the political reform machine has been put into rear-gear, while in Qatar all talk of a new democratic constitution to set up a constitutional monarchy has subsided. In Jordan the security services are making a spectacular comeback, putting an end to a brief moment of hopes for reform. As for Egypt, Hosni Mubarak has decided to indefinitely postpone local elections, a clear sign that the Bush-inspired scenario is in trouble. Tunisia and Morocco, too, have joined the game by stopping much-advertised reform projects while Islamist radicals are regrouping and testing the waters at all levels.

But how valid is the assumption that Mr. Bush is an aberration and that his successor will "run away"? It was to find answers that this writer spent several days in the U.S., especially Washington and New York, meeting ordinary Americans and senior leaders, including potential presidential candidates from both parties. While Mr. Bush's approval ratings, now in free fall, and the increasingly bitter American debate on Iraq may lend some credence to the "helicopter" theory, I found no evidence that anyone in the American leadership elite supported a cut-and-run strategy.

The reason was that almost all realized that the 9/11 attacks have changed the way most Americans see the world and their own place in it. Running away from Saigon, the Iranian desert, Beirut, Safwan and Mogadishu was not hard to sell to the average American, because he was sure that the story would end there; the enemies left behind would not pursue their campaign within the U.S. itself. The enemies that America is now facing in the jihadist archipelago, however, are dedicated to the destruction of the U.S. as the world knows it today.

Those who have based their strategy on waiting Mr. Bush out may find to their cost that they have, once again, misread not only American politics but the realities of a world far more complex than it was even a decade ago. Mr. Bush may be a uniquely decisive, some might say reckless, leader. But a visitor to the U.S. soon finds out that he represents the American mood much more than the polls suggest.

Mr. Taheri is author of "L'Irak: Le Dessous Des Cartes" (Editions Complexe, 2002).