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To: Noel de Leon who wrote (184489)	4/3/2006 7:55:48 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

That's a no brainer too. Well, why don't you get on the phone to the CTC at Langley and give them the 10 digit grid coordinate for them, since you seem to know where they are... I can get you the number, if you'd like. Neither you nor I know what an increased effort at the secret agency level would accomplish or whether they have been requested and denied. Since resources are thin in Afghanistan I believe that they are also thin at the secret agency level. What I know is something that I can't really talk about in detail. But I can repeat and opine on the public pronouncements of others who have made comments on our capabilities in Iraq and Afghanistan. We're doing some good work, and had some tremendous successes, including some you're unlikely to read about. But there are still tremendous short-comings in our Human and Signals intelligence, some of pointing to some entrenched ideals and prehistoric tactics. Flattery will get you nowhere with me.(I think that Groucho Marx wrote a version of that) How nice that you and your liberal ilk consider it to be "flattering" to undermine the reformatory efforts that were starting to take root in the Mid-East. Something to be real proud of when we find ourselves, not just in a counter-insurgency and nation-building mission, but rather in a full-fledged conflict that requires us to mobilize millions of young men and women to fix what you're so proud to have helped to subvert. If your preferred method is to coerce the powers that be to reform then of course one has to go into these countries to "convert" them. YES, BY GOD.. if need be!! Because these governments that we're pressuring ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO, OR ELECTED BY, THEIR PEOPLE. Do you not plainly see that EVERYDAY, these governments are coercing and intimidating their people whenever they attempt to institute democratic reforms?? These governments in the Mid-East have no legitimacy Noel!!! And this lack of popular legitimacy is EXACTLY WHAT ENABLES GROUPS LIKE AL QAI'DA TO WIN SUPPORT AGAINST THEM!!!! So wipe that smug smile, derived from shallow pseudo-intellectualism, off of your face and try and perceive the repercussions of undermining the democratic reform effort that Bush has started, and future administrations MUST CONTINUE. Hawk