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To: tejek who wrote (282910)	4/4/2006 2:16:10 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574845

No matter how responsible the NRA is, they were contributors to the carnage perpetrated in Seattle yesterday. Not at all. In fact more people having guns is one of the best defenses against such mass killings. This is one of the six people that were killed......he is typical of them. They were all pacifists. They did not stand a chance because you see, Tim, in a civilized society you shouldn't have to carry a gun. Unfortunately, militaristic people like yourself make that increasingly difficult with your extremist positions. In fact, if we had it your way, we would turn into a mini Iraq. I know, I know, Tim, it all sounds like a lot of nonsense to you. Jason Travers remembered as gentle man, good listener By Emily Heffter and Christine Willmsen Seattle Times staff reporters Jason Travers, 32 Travers' mother called him "Atlas" because he worried so much about others that he seemed to carry the weight of the world. His family remembers him for his gentle way of life. Friends and family of 32-year-old Jason Travers, one of the victims of the Capitol Hill massacre, remember him as a good listener and gentle man. Travers had worked as a clerk at Madison Market, a food cooperative on Capitol Hill, since 1999. He was one of two people employed at the market who died Saturday morning. "It's baffling and unbelievable," said Beau Ingraham, a friend and co-worker of Travers and another victim, Jeremy Martin. "We thought Jason was in a coma all day yesterday and we had hoped he'd pull out of it. We found out later Jason was killed while he was sleeping in a chair." The co-op closed early Saturday after hearing the news of the men's deaths. Travers was remembered for his gentle way of life: He was a vegan, a conscientious objector, a sometimes-Unitarian, according to his parents, who live in Albany, N. Y. seattletimes.nwsource.com

To: tejek who wrote (282910)	4/4/2006 4:30:44 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574845

You really have no idea what its like when too many people have guns. Go to any inner city and spend a few days. Have you ever been shot at Tim? Have you ever seen an inner city gunfight? Have you watch someone die from gunshot wounds? In many rural communities a larger percentage of people have guns than in inner cities. But they typically have less violent crime per capita. The crime in poor inner city communities is not so much because there are so many guns per capita but because of the break down of the social order. Also in some very high crime cities guns are highly regulated. So people who don't want to violate the law can't easily get a handgun, but the criminals can. If the criminals are armed but ordinary citizens almost always are not it encourages crime. The belief that guns in the hands of ordinary law abiding citizens is one of the better available defenses against mass shootings isn't ignorant. Private guns have been used to stop criminals in a number of mass shooting incidents, and have probably deterred others. The cops can take awhile to get on the scene. Often all they can do is arrest the perp if he is still around, or investigate the crime scene if he has already left. A lot of people can die while waiting for the cops to save them.