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To: sea_urchin who wrote (10602)	4/7/2006 4:14:14 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Thus I would argue that "do unto others" is the basis of morality and one doesn't have to be a Christian or what purports to be a Christian to accept that or to live by that code. You do understand that this concept comes right from the mouth of Jesus Christ? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Matthew 22:37-39)

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10602)	4/7/2006 4:17:02 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Further, and with my limited knowledge of course, I would argue that the Jewish religion now also has no purpose. Then what is the significance of calling people "devout Torah-Jews"? They are devoutly following something that has no purpose???

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10602)	4/7/2006 4:21:08 PM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

I have had this debate with many people including a rabbi and I totally reject the thesis that "goodness" flows only from "belief" or "fear of a higher authority". I believe people answer to their own authority and if their nature is "good" then they will be "good" and if they are "bad" then no amount of religious indoctrination or false piety will change that. Hence one finds both "good" and "bad" people everywhere. Surely you are not suggesting that some people are created good and others are created evil? If that is the case, and freewill is not involved, then how is it proper to condemn people for things that they have no control over? If none of us has freewill to choose the good then none of us can be condemned for our behavior.

To: sea_urchin who wrote (10602)	4/8/2006 11:16:03 PM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

" believe people answer to their own authority and if their nature is "good" then they will be "good" and if they are "bad" then no amount of religious indoctrination or false piety will change that. Hence one finds both "good" and "bad" people everywhere." Based on Christian beliefs no one is "good." That is unless you have never had an impure thought or action during your life. According to these standards no one is truly good imo. Many people obey the law, treat there wives and children decently and try to get along with others. That is not a definition of good. There is a little bit of good in the worst of us and a little bit of bad in the best of us. Anyone that claims differently is not being honest with their true nature. James