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To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (283618)	4/10/2006 7:46:47 AM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572364

"it's as if Spaniards, Sicilians and Greeks were billed non-Europeans by the rest of Europe!" How so?

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (283618)	4/11/2006 4:29:18 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572364

As most of your excerpts show, anti-immigrant violence in Europe is still restricted to far-right/neonazi fringe groups or Zionist/Judeofascist militants... I never contended that there was no racist violence in Europe On the contrary, this is what you said: "Wrong... DEAD wrong! Racial/ethnic dynamics play out differently in Europe than it does in the US. Did you notice, for instance, that, following last fall's riots when ghetto youths ran amuck rampaging, looting, arsoning and --in one case at least-- killing, there were no, absolutely NO white-on-nonwhite violence? I mean, just compare that to what happened in Australia in December 2005:" You implied that Europeans handle these issues differently. In fact, the same people in Europe and the US are the perpetrators of racial violence.....right wing nazis or skinheads. There are two other reasons that explain the difference: first, Europe doesn't have a "Second Amendment" that provides for militias and gun-toting vigilantism; second, Europe doesn't have a legacy of racial terrorism (KKK lynchings, Jim Crow). Of course, there was the disastrous rise of Nazism in the 1930s, when German fascists attempted to emulate US racism and eugenics in Europe --against Jews and other white minorities instead of Negroes and nonwhites-- but it lasted only 15 years (1930-1945) unlike the US's 200 years of official racism.... It may have lasted only 15 years in Europe but many millions more Jews died than blacks in that short period of time. And what about the Romanish? How many have died or been persecuted for their gypsy ways? And why are the Muslims in France rioting if things are so greatfor them there. And how many Jews were persecuted before Hitler came to power? After all, the Zionists who met in Vienna in 1898 would not have considered emigrating to Palestine if things were peachy keen in Europe. We are you several generations removed............apparently the acorn does not fall far from the tree. ;-)

To: GUSTAVE JAEGER who wrote (283618)	4/11/2006 4:46:01 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1572364

I maintain, however, that racism in the US Sunbelt is much, much more virulent and dangerous than European racism. First, most Europeans would be quite surprised that white Americans view Mexicans as nonwhites --it's as if Spaniards, Sicilians and Greeks were billed non-Europeans by the rest of Europe! So far, only post-fascist Gianfranco Fini has called Sicilians "Africans".... After all, Mexicans --unlike Muslim (North-)Africans-- write and speak a European/white language (Spanish) and are overwhelmingly Catholic. Oh give me a break. Northern Europeans have looked down their noses at Greeks and Italians for decades. It wasn't Spain and Greece that were the founders of the EU, it was the nordic powerhouses like Brit and Germany with the Latin country of France thrown in as the token. You forget the US apes the biases that Europeans have toward each other.