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To: combjelly who wrote (283884)4/12/2006 9:30:46 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572405
 
Re: "whites and blacks don't attend mass in the same churches!?! "

Nonsense.


LOL... No, ignorance! YOUR ignorance.

America's churches still largely segregated by race
By Adelle Banks
Religion News Service

GAITHERSBURG, Md. (RNS)
--When Pastor Gerard Green recently baptized children at his Epworth United Methodist Church, he was living out his dream of having a congregation that reflects "the kingdom of God."

The African-American minister sprinkled five children--three white, one black and one Chinese--with consecrated water as he took turns holding them over the church's marble baptismal font.

The physical act of welcoming the youngest members immediately followed his verbal declaration from the pulpit about his diverse flock.

"There are some churches that are made up of just one race or one ethnic group or one social class, but that is not who we are," preached Green, the congregation's pastor for the last decade. "I am the church. You are the church. We are the church together."

About 70 percent of the 278 congregants who observed the baptism were white and the rest represented a variety of other racial and ethnic backgrounds, making the church an atypical one on the American religious and racial scene.

Sociologist Michael Emerson estimates only 5.4 percent of U.S. churches are racially integrated, meaning no one group makes up more than 80 percent of the congregation.

"If you go back historically, the leaders of denominations have been denouncing racism and separation for at least 100 years, and the people in the pews have been ignoring those pronouncements for at least 100 years," he said. "There's a complete disconnect."

Just as the nation's sanctuaries are segregated, many of the nation's denominations remain relatively racially separate. A look at statistics for some of the nation's predominantly white Christian denominations indicates there sometimes has been only a 1 percent or 2 percent increase in the number of African-Americans in the last decade or so. Officials of predominantly black denominations say white membership remains a mere "sprinkling."

But the lack of diversity in most Christian churches and denominations has not prevented some congregations from painting a different picture of church racial makeup.

At First Baptist Church of Temple Hills, Md., a small Southern Baptist church in a racially evolving neighborhood, about one-third of the predominantly white congregation is comprised of African-Americans or Asians.

Janice Clemons, a black member, travels from Arlington, Va., to the church. She first was invited by another member, a white Avon lady, in the mid-1980s when she lived closer to the sanctuary.

"A Christian should fit in anywhere," Clemons said. "It doesn't matter whether you're black or white."

Clergy charge that both predominantly white and mostly black congregations have to make the effort to change the hues in their pews.

At a recent gathering in Memphis, Tenn., that marked the end of 40 years of ecumenical discussions and the start of greater cooperation among predominantly white and black denominations, Kathryn Bannister, a white United Methodist minister from LaCrosse, Kan., challenged "privileged" white churches to leave their "comfort zone."

"What would happen if these worshippers suddenly had to seek hospitality rather than give it?" she asked. "Had to face the loss of their identity, had to risk rejection?"

Ed Schneider, a white pastor of a predominantly African-American church in Denver, said black churches need to change too.

"There are churches all over the country that are sitting in communities themselves that have changed and they are no more changing to suit the indigenous community they are now sitting in than white churches are," said Schneider, pastor of Spottswood African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church in Denver.

Schneider, who has served as a consultant to churches wishing to be more interracial, said a divine push may be necessary.

"Without that, it always will fail because humans by their nature don't like to mix and mingle more than where it's comfortable," he said.

Many church leaders point to racism as the starting point of segregated congregations and denominations--Northern and Southern Baptists divided over slavery, and many African-American Methodist denominations began when black Methodists were made unwelcome in white Methodist churches.

Today, Emerson estimates only about 3.5 percent of congregations in this country that are racially mixed will remain that way.

"Racism comes out when ... a church starts to integrate," said Emerson, an associate professor of sociology at Rice University in Houston. "Always a certain segment of people just leave. They don't want it. They can't take it."

While pastors often see the efforts to integrate their sanctuaries as intentional, congregants often say it "just happens."

But Georgina Sherman, a Liberian native at Epworth United Methodist Church, describes her membership--and leadership in the church--as personally purposeful.

"The first time I visited here I barely saw a black person in the congregation and my first thought was, well, I'm not going to come back," she recalled. "But then I said, well, maybe that's why there are no blacks in the church, because when they come they say, 'I'm not coming back.'"

A member since 1992, she's the first black president of the congregation's United Methodist Women's unit and marvels at the change from the time when you could easily see how many blacks were in worship.

"You've got to really do a head count," said Sherman. "There's a big difference. ... It makes me feel good."

With the exception of Roman Catholics, most Christian congregations that are particularly successful at interracial worship are non-denominational,[*] said Scott Thumma, a faculty associate in religion and society at Hartford Seminary.

Their success is aided by their "experimental and expressive kinds of worship styles," and the lack of a label that may link them to a particular race, such as white with Southern Baptist or black with Church of God in Christ.

"What comes along with a denominational identity ... is a whole set of baggage, including racial baggage," Thumma said.

baptiststandard.com

[*] That principle has applied particularly to Protestant churches, he added. Roman Catholic church parishes generally are based on geography, and membership reflects the makeup of the community around the church.

Members of Protestant churches, however, may travel miles to attend their church, and congregation membership doesn't necessarily mirror a neighborhood's composition.
[...]
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To: combjelly who wrote (283884)4/12/2006 9:37:21 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 1572405
 
Follow-up to my previous post:

The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions but the Path to Heaven is Strewn with Gelt....

By BILL MAXWELL, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published August 3, 2003


Civil rights icon the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. loved to remind his white ministerial colleagues, along with any white policymakers willing to listen, that "eleven o'clock Sunday morning is the most segregated hour" of the week. Eleven o'clock is when most Protestant churches open worship services.

King was showing whites - who considered themselves to be Christians - the sharp conflict between racism and Christian ideals.

Explaining King's pronouncement, African-American theologian James Cone wrote: "In the old slavery days, the church preached that slavery was a divine decree, and it used the Bible as the basis of its authority. ... Not only did Christianity fail to offer the (black) hope of freedom in the world, but the manner in which Christianity was communicated to him tended to degrade him. The (black) was taught that his enslavement was due to the fact that he had been cursed by God. ... Parts of the Bible were carefully selected to prove that God had intended that the (black) should be the servant of the white man..."

Master and servant, therefore, could not inhabit the same place of worship together.

Forty years after King's words, 11 a.m. Sunday remains a time when two Americas - one white, one black - go separate ways. But Bishop Fred Caldwell, pastor of Greenwood Acres Full Gospel Baptist Church in Shreveport, La., decided that King's words did not have to be destiny, at least not for his traditionally black congregation.

USA Today reports that Caldwell has devised a scheme for diversifying his church: He will pay white people to attend. That is right. Caldwell says he will pay whites $5 per hour to sit in the pews on Sunday and $10 per hour for Thursday service.

Pay whites to attend?

"Our churches are too segregated, and the Lord never intended for that to happen," Caldwell told USA Today. "It's time for something radical. ... I just want the kingdom of God to look like it's supposed to."

Based on history, the good bishop will need a miracle to succeed. With only a few exceptions, attempts to bring substantial, permanent race-mixing into U.S. churches has been a miserable failure. Lord knows, hundreds of earnest preachers, black and white, have tried. I know because I have written about many efforts in several states.

I have seen churches do "choir visitations" - the black choir sings at the white church one Sunday, and the white choir goes to the black church at another time. I have seen dinner swaps, prayer meetings and other efforts.

Unitarians used to ask me how to get more blacks to attend their services. I always had the same answer: Blacks will not attend Unitarian churches because Unitarians are the worst singers in the world. Obviously, my quip was a joke, but it held a modicum of truth. My point was that blacks and whites have different styles of worship, and they would always experience awkwardness when they tried to mix.

Sure, this or that black attends this or that Catholic church, and this or that white attends this or that black Baptist church. These are exceptions. I am talking about the general rule.

Although I still believe that styles of worship make blacks and whites go their separate ways at 11, I also believe that plain old American racism keeps them apart.

Here is what professor Peter Huff, chairman of the religion department at Centenary College in Shreveport, told USA Today: "(Caldwell has) hit on the problem. All of the best motives have not been able to overcome the racial divide. Just showing people that racism conflicts with the Gospel seems not to be enough."

Then, show them the money.

Which is what Caldwell will do. When I first read the story, I dismissed the man as a kook. I changed my mind. We use money to get everything else done, so why not use it to diversify the pews? Money, not love and understanding, brings whites and blacks to the same shopping malls. Money permits whites and blacks to live together in upscale neighborhoods and attend the same exclusive schools. And so on.

Well, why not use money to entice whites and blacks to attend the same church? I telephoned Caldwell but did not speak with him. Two church members, however, told me that they accept using the almighty dollar to this end. All whites have to do to collect is come to Greenwood Acres Full Gospel Baptist Church, sign in and enjoy the service.

For now, Caldwell will pay them out of his pocket. If he gets too many takers, he will ask his flock to pass the plate.

Eleven o'clock on Sunday morning at Greenwood Acres may become less segregated.

sptimes.com