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To: jttmab who wrote (185060)	4/13/2006 2:45:20 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Saudi Arabia was providing more support to terrorism than was Iraq. Lessee.. Iraq was harboring both Abu Abbas, the mastermind of the Achille Lauro incident where he killed a parapalegic US citizen and threw his body into the sea.. Abaas managed to be freed by the Italians because he held an Iraqi Diplomatic passport. Iraq was harboring Abu Nidal, mastermind of dozens of attacks that involved the deaths of Americans. Iraq was harboring Zarqawi and Krekar, both either members of, or affiliated with, Al Qai'da. Now the Saudis, much as they displease me with their corruption and totalitarianist state, I don't have any evidence that they are deliberately providing shelter, let alone diplomatic cover, to people who are known terrorists responsible for attacks against the US. What moral right does the US have to make Iraq the Central Front on the War on Terror? The Iraqi people didn't volunteer to have their country be the battleground of the GWOT. What moral right did the Iraqis have to invade and repress Kuwait in 1990? The averaage Kuwaiti didn't ask to be invaded, murdered, and occupied by some guy thinking he could coerce the Sultan of Kuwait into forgiving Iraq's debt and/or resolve pilfering of contested oil reserves along their respective borders. That was a pretty popular invasion for most Iraqis, up until the US and other Coalition forces actually kicked them out.. Then it became real unpopular. So what's the answer? Should we have permitted the Iraqis to have to continue to endures years more of sanctions when the MSM was trying to claim 1/2 million Iraqi children were dying each year? What about the Kurds and their children? What about the Shia's?? They were all stuck in the middle of Saddam's domination and tyranny over Iraq and disputes with the leaders of those respective... And now those people are relatively free to go about their lives, especially the Kurds. The War on Terror is not winnable. They aren't "containable" all you can do is catch or kill a few here and there. You can't win because there is no single person or entity to surrender. Well, let's just hang a surrender flag up the White House flag pole then... right?? Maybe we can bring the USS Missouri out of mothballs and send it over to Iran and sign OUR surrender to the one Islamo-Fascist regime that remains in power in the world?? One of the cultural aspects that I've learned about the mid-east is the "necessity" of revenge to restore one's honor. If that were the case, the Kuwaitis would all be screaming to get into Iraq and dole out their revenge. Yeah.. there is this "vendetta" mentality.. but most don't pursue it unless they think they can get away with it. You might recall that the bombings in Spain were in retribution for the Spanish Inquisition. That's holding a grudge. Then I guess then maybe you need to start facing reality.. Because when people display no interest in forgiving the sins of our fathers, then you're merely permitting them the ability to use whatever justification that comes to their irrational militant minds to support a perpetual war against us. I don't want to be at war with them jttmab.. But they seem to want to be at war with us. They threaten us. They threaten our allies. They kill anyone who they see as "collaborating" with the "infidels".. They aren't going to stop until we finally take the actions necessary to ensure that the leadership that recruits and brainwashes these Jihadists finally recognize that they have something to lose by doing so. An easier goal than winning the GWOT is to obtain world peace. Wait a second... let me put on my rose-tinted glasses that filter out reality.. What you're saying, on one hand is that these people hold grudges that go back hundreds of years and will never stop attacking us, yet you think we can have peace?? Do you think Islamo-Fascists want peace? How would they motivate their people to wage Jihad if they decided to agree to peace with the West?? What interest does an publicly aggressive ideology like Islamo-Fascism have in being at peace?? That's not a sign of strength for them.. it's a sign of weakness. The language you use presumes that they existed. For the moment, I'll accept that. They WERE REPORTED BY IRAQ TO HAVE EXISTED. They provided the initial inventory and accounting documents. We didn't just make it up!! And then we discover that they deliberately DECEIVED us as to the quantities of weapons they had reported to have used in the war against Iran. And when Saddam's son's-in-laws defected, we discovered that nuclear related materials and documents had been DENIED to UNSCOM and were later found buried on a chicken farm owned by one of them. These were all supposed to be disclosed to UNSCOM and then destroyed. They were not.. jttmab.. All I can say to you is just sit back, relax in your happy utopian little world, and let the rest of us protect your life and prosperity... Because apparently nothing but a bullet whizzing over your head, or a bombing in your front yard, is going to convince you that maybe it's time to recognize the threat. Hawk