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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (185073)	4/13/2006 4:09:05 PM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Lessee.. Iraq was harboring both Abu Abbas, the mastermind of the Achille Lauro incident where he killed a parapalegic US citizen and threw his body into the sea.. Abaas managed to be freed by the Italians because he held an Iraqi Diplomatic passport. Iraq was harboring Abu Nidal, mastermind of dozens of attacks that involved the deaths of Americans. Iraq was harboring Zarqawi and Krekar, both either members of, or affiliated with, Al Qai'da. All from the best intelligence agencies in the world. Was that the one, two or three legged Zarqawi? Either way it's all small pototoes stuff. Now you could bring up the terrorist training camp in Kurdish territory. Besides not all terrorism is bad. If you watched the news a few days ago, you can advocate terrorism and still get into the US on a visa according to State Dept rules. I would guess a person could advocate terrorism against the current Iranian government and that wouldn't be a problem. Now the Saudis, much as they displease me with their corruption and totalitarianist state, I don't have any evidence that they are deliberately providing shelter, let alone diplomatic cover, to people who are known terrorists responsible for attacks against the US. Not counting the religious schools in SA, or the money that flowed from the Saudi Royal family to AQ. We can look the other way when SA executes by beheading. What moral right did the Iraqis have to invade and repress Kuwait in 1990? The Iraqis didn't. And I don't think that Kuwait had the right to slant drill into Iraqi territory to steal Iraqi oil. And Iraqi wasn't justified in using that as an excuse and the US was stupid for being passive on the whole matter. IMO, the US shouldn't have allowed the sale of slant drilling equipment to Kuwait. But what's your argument? Since none of the parties in the mideast have morality, we don't have to be moral either? Just in case that wasn't your point let me give you another shot at it. What moral right does the US have to make Iraq the Central Front on the War on Terror? The Iraqi people didn't volunteer to have their country be the battleground of the GWOT. So what's the answer? Should we have permitted the Iraqis to have to continue to endures years more of sanctions when the MSM was trying to claim 1/2 million Iraqi children were dying each year? What about the Kurds and their children? What about the Shia's?? It's a good question to ask what good the sanctions were doing. They did contain Saddam, he had a declining military capability. Those were good results. I always had trouble reconciling the death rates and infant mortality in Iraq from the CIA World Fact book against those numbers. I posted it a couple of times but no one seemed interested. After Desert Storm the Kurds were in pretty good shape. Shia pretty well learned how to live under Saddam. They knew how to vote. That's for sure. But post Desert Storm Saddam was a very nice leader compared to the President of North Korea. Well, let's just hang a surrender flag up the White House flag pole then... right?? If that's what you see as a solution to an unwinnable war, that's not my problem. I don't want to be at war with them jttmab.. But they seem to want to be at war with us. They threaten us. They threaten our allies. They kill anyone who they see as "collaborating" with the "infidels".. They aren't going to stop until we finally take the actions necessary to ensure that the leadership that recruits and brainwashes these Jihadists finally recognize that they have something to lose by doing so. You don't even know who they are? Or where they are. You know some are in Iraq. There are probably some in Germany and in the UK. There are probably some in the US. We have found folks from the mid-east illegally crossing the US-Mexico border. Did we catch them all. Are some here? Are they going to sneak out of the US so they can fight in Iraq? What you're saying, on one hand is that these people hold grudges that go back hundreds of years and will never stop attacking us, yet you think we can have peace?? No. What I'm saying is that winning the GWOT is not possible. It would be easier to achieve world peace and that isn't possible either. If you want to bring democracy to the mid-east, you should warm up to the task by trying to bring democracy to Haiti. If you can do that, then try to take on Russia. Iraq is a country where the clerics tell the people when, where and how they should vote. If the Sunni clerics say don't vote, the Sunnis don't vote. If the Sunni clerics say go vote and vote for a Sunni, than that's what they do. It's not a democracy like ours...it's not even close to a democracy. Iran has better elections that they do in Iraq and Iran has better elections than many of the countries of the former Soviet Union. jttmab.. All I can say to you is just sit back, relax in your happy utopian little world, and let the rest of us protect your life and prosperity. Because apparently nothing but a bullet whizzing over your head, or a bombing in your front yard, is going to convince you that maybe it's time to recognize the threat. Give me a break. You people are so far behind on the threat it's not funny. You're flailing in the wind hoping you're going to hit something and be declared the winner. You think the enemy is some well defined army. And every day that goes by, you accomplish nothing other than creating more people that want to kill you. jttmab P.S. Do you have any idea who manufactured the term Islamo-fascist?