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To: Lane3 who wrote (17000)	4/21/2006 4:56:22 PM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541877

I know that you are probably the most astute posters on Dale's thread partly because I think of your cynicism which I appreciate as it comes out in sardonic humor at times. However in this instance, talk to me AFTER you have watched the DOC... I am a skeptic but not a cynic.... However, I have had shake ups with this topic.. Right now in North Caroline and TN. the tops of mountains are dead. All the beautiful trees.. It's the smoke from Pittsburgh and West Virgina that floats down on certain winds.. However I am an environmentalist for sure. I believe in re- cycling.. I walk around and clean forests.. I do everything I can to help preserve this earth..Not for me anymore but for the future inhabitants.. P.S. Once I used chemicals that are not even allowed to be in use anymore .. Chlordane... Malathion.... DDT... I sprayed trees, treated foundations for termites and every time I would use these chemicals, usually in a bikini with most of my skin exposed, I would get sick.. I never connected the two.. We had a farm. Dad used all of these chemicals too and he died of Leukemia. I always thought that there was a connection... Live longer and become more of a believer.

To: Lane3 who wrote (17000)	4/21/2006 5:09:20 PM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541877

In 20 years there may be no New York City or Florida. --- Anyone who predicts that is either lying or nuts. Get a grip. Well, there's not much of Florida over 150 ft: and here's a map by those well-known alarmists, "Scientists at Florida's top universities". nrdc.org geology.com Some more alarmist scientists: nrdc.org Some graphs from the alarmists at, er, NASA: data.giss.nasa.gov So, are you saying those graphs aren't true? Or are you happy to point to some "scientists" who claim that it isn't that bad? Alarmism from the National Geogrphic, pointing out that the Greenland ice-sheet alone would raise sea level by 7m if (when) it melts, drowning LA and London for starters: news.nationalgeographic.com 7m? How about just 1/4 of that for starters: some US Government alarmists. "The maps imply that approximately 58,000 square kilometers of land along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts lie below the 1.5-meter contour. Louisiana, Florida, Texas, and North Carolina account for more than 80 percent of the low land. Outside of those four states, the largest vulnerable populated region is the land along the Eastern Shore of Chesapeake Bay stretching from Dorchester County, Maryland to Accomac County, Virginia." yosemite.epa.gov yosemite.epa.gov Hey, here's Florida with just half of that tiny rise: yosemite.epa.gov Some more disappearing Florida: geo.arizona.edu etc. etc. etc. We pump CO2 etc into the atmosphere, mainly by burning fossil fuels, far faster than it is naturally removed ( Some of the other sh*t we pump in is worse, sure, but that's the basics). As the CO2 concentration rises, so does the temperature. The warmer the Earth gets, the more ice melts faster than it forms. The more ice melts, the more water in the oceans and the higher the level. It's that simple. And now it's a question of how fast, and how much: what kind of world will our children inherit, and will they have any chance to fix it? If you're driving directly towards a cliff, it is not alarmist to point this out. And if the driver ignores you and speeds up, it's not alarmist to shout at the idiot to get him to change direction. My personal view is that if the driver still ignores you after that, you grab the wheel, stamp on the brake and kick the idiot out to kill himself without taking everyone else along for the ride.

To: Lane3 who wrote (17000)	4/22/2006 12:40:30 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541877

>>>In 20 years there may be no New York City or Florida. Anyone who predicts that is either lying or nuts. Get a grip. And the National Geographic article on the danger hanging over New Orleans a year in advance, what was that ? Left Wing lunatics ? NYC under water within 20 years is a kind of worst case scenario, but look at the efforts our government has expended on such lunacy as the Star Wars anti ballistic missile defense system. Did that make a lot of sense ? If we had real leadership in this country, they would be taking seriously some of the grave dangers that confront the country. Instead we have a born again fool telling us we have to "hear both sides", that stem cells are a violation of the sanctity of human life and that overturning Roe vs Wade is a "noble cause", and that staffing the Supreme Court with right wing ideologues is one of the most important accomplishments that there is. The people in this country who need to "get a grip" are those who voted for Bush because Rove agitated the Guns/Gays/Abortion/StemCells scarecrows. It's not an accident that Intel as a leading edge high tech company has stood the test of time. It's because Andy Gove knows that "Only the Paranoid Survive".