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To: Bid Buster who wrote (2992)	4/26/2006 4:21:02 PM
From: Rock_nj	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 16955

LI/Ion is showing a lot of promise. The only problem is the price. LI/Ion has the range suitable for real world driving, 300 miles per charge. I think it's just a matter of time before we go to electric for our vehicle propulsion. Why? Because electric is far cheaper per mile than petroleum propulsion, significantly so like 80%, and most decisions in life are dictated by cost. So, once the batteries themselves come down in cost, and as oil products rise in cost as oil runs short, EVs are going to take over. It will start with plug-in hybrids, and as the battery technology improves the petroleum part of the engine will just be dropped. If gasoline is costing someone $5.00/gal and the same distance can be covered by electric for $1.00, then the payback time will be rather fast. My 20,000 miles per year of driving would pay back about $2,900 per year for doing so on electric. One nice thing about electric is that it can be produced is some many different ways, even in a renewable manner, and is domestic energy.

To: Bid Buster who wrote (2992)	4/26/2006 7:12:09 PM
From: gg cox	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 16955

I thought everyone knew about GM's stupidity scrapping EV..1 and 2 ...read about someone that leased and drove one for years and the superior technology at that time...can you imagine what GM would have today... in an all electric if they had stuck with it...instead of pie in the sky foolishness, hydrogen fuel cell dreams...they would be miles ahead of Honda and Toyota and not fighting off bankruptcy. Message 12320745 Message 14331877 """"Regenerative braking? Please!..real world gain is 10% so I get 10 more miles per charge? WOW!""" I see you are not impressed with regenerative braking...it seems the large auto companies are...because they are all going that way. Have I read word for word the Prius warantee....No...but this is fairly close.. <<<The Prius has an 8-yr./100,000-mi. warranty on the battery and hybrid systems, plus a three-year/36,000-mile warranty on everything else. The electric motors and batteries don't require maintenance over the life of the vehicle....>>> """While NI/MH shows promise I can show you a pile of dead ones if you ever come to south Tx.""" I bet you could ...and an even larger pile of lead acids...that you kept referring to in previous post. I see you did not address this.. ~~~Your assumtion of 100 miles per day is just that...the EV2 was getting 150 miles per charge with ancient lead acids 8 years ago.Think of the power saved by an all electric...repeat..no transmission,drive axels, differentials, alternator,water pump,power steering pump and related hydralics to steering rake, rad and related hoses etc and the required power to drive them???...also no fluids for transmission, diff's,powersteering,cooling system and no maintaince for all these sub systems~~