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To: Jim S who wrote (39288)5/9/2006 4:58:10 PM
From: Greg or e  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Thanks for your reply Jim.

"I'm not advocating any particular belief system here."

Oh? But then you say;

"A person doesn't need to "believe" that "empirically verified facts" are facts; what needs belief is things that can't be "empirically verified.""

I think you missed the gist of my question;

How about the "belief" that only empirically verified facts can be considered valid truths? Can you empirically verify that for us?

I guess the answer is no, or you would not have tried to avoid answering the question, while at the same time, asserting some "need" to verify all things empirically.

It is clearly your implied belief that all truth must be empirically verified or it is not valid. If you can't verify that belief empirically, then your position is self contradictory and amounts to nothing more than a faith conjecture. Not holding such a restricted view of truth myself, (some, but not all truth, can be verified empirically) I think you are in worse shape than the ones you are attempting to criticize.




To: Jim S who wrote (39288)5/9/2006 11:31:18 PM
From: RMF  Respond to of 39621
 
Excellent points, Jim.

With science, one man and one observation can establish a "Truth", if the observation can be independently recreated.

With religion or BELIEF, the "Truth" is only as valid as the number of believers. If tomorrow, billions of people suddenly "believed" that oak trees were the true and ultimate manifestation of GOD, then THAT would be the new TRUTH.