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To: Elroy who wrote (287770)5/12/2006 3:36:21 AM
From: Elroy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572332
 
Ahh, Friday the Muslim holy day. While the Muslims go to Friday prayer and hear an hour long sermon at the various local mosques, I will enjoy the first day of my weekend at the "all you can drink" champagne brunch in the Rotating Restaurant on the 24th floor of this hotel.

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It's hard being a capitalist hedonist infidel these days.....



To: Elroy who wrote (287770)5/12/2006 4:08:19 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 1572332
 
Re: And having a nuke power in our debt in the region is a very big stick.

You're nuts. The US alliance with Israel begins at the country's formation 60 years ago.


I agree --and remember JFK's opposition to Israel's nuclear program:

On 23 December 1960, Ben-Gurion informed the Knesset (the Israeli parliament) that the 24-megawatt (MW) research reactor under construction would be "peaceful," designed for scientific, industrial, and medical applications. This was the first and last time that the Israeli government made a public statement about the Dimona project.

In retrospect, this statement entailed the strategy that Israel would use to overcome U.S. opposition to the project in the early mid-1960s. From the outset, the Israeli nuclear case posed a great challenge to U.S. nonproliferation policy. President Kennedy was determined to thwart Israel's efforts to acquire a nuclear capability, fearing that it could undermine his nonproliferation efforts. He firmly insisted that U.S. scientists be allowed to visit Dimona to verify Israel's claims that the facility was not for producing plutonium for nuclear weapons. Such a visit took place in May 1961, setting the stage for a meeting between Ben-Gurion and President Kennedy. The meeting resulted in the nuclear issue being removed from the Israeli-U.S. agenda for two years.

Two years later, as construction at Dimona neared completion, Kennedy reapplied the pressure on Israel over Dimona. In a tough exchange of letters with Prime Ministers Ben-Gurion and Levi Eshkol (who replaced Ben-Gurion in July 1963), Kennedy demanded semi-annual U.S. inspection visits in Dimona, threatening that bilateral relations would be "seriously jeopardized" if Israel did not comply with his demands. By late August 1963, after weeks of intense consultations, Israel appeared to agree with Kennedy's demands—or at least so Kennedy was led to believe.

By the time U.S. scientists began the visits to Dimona in early 1964 according to the Kennedy-Eshkol deal, Kennedy had been assassinated, and President Johnson was less committed to nonproliferation in general and to the Israel case in particular.
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The similarities with the current Iranian crisis are striking, aren't they? Somehow, Ahmadinejad acts the Iranian Ben Gurion billing the Bushehr nuclear facility as a peaceful Iranian Dimona... Is George W Bush aware of his role as a Republican JFK?

Re: Our so called "alliance" with Saudi Arabia is purely strategic. We can't stand them and their culture of religious oppression and discrimination, but maintain a so called alliance and partnership because it is in...

...Israel's interest --clue:

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To: Elroy who wrote (287770)5/12/2006 7:15:19 AM
From: Road Walker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1572332
 
re: You're nuts.

Ted talked me into putting you on ignore... so long.

Press Statement
Sean McCormack, Spokesman
Washington, DC
November 29, 2005

U.S.-Israel Strategic Dialogue

On November 28, 2005, the United States and Israel conducted a strategic dialogue led by Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns and Minister of Jerusalem Affairs Tzachi Hanegbi to strengthen the already close strategic cooperation between our two countries.

Discussions covered a broad range of regional issues. Both sides also expressed concern at the Iranian government's growing radicalization and its irresponsible policy on nuclear issues. The talks reflect the deep, abiding friendship and understanding between the United States and Israel, based on shared values and common interests. The strategic dialogue constitutes a further step in fortifying and enhancing the strategic relationship between the two countries.

In addition to Minister Hanegbi and Under Secretary Burns, other participants included, from the Israeli side: Ambassador to the U.S. Daniel Ayalon, the Directors General of Israel's Ministries of Foreign Affairs and Defense, and National Security Advisor and other senior officials. The U.S. side was represented by:Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, National Security Advisor to the Vice President John Hannah, Ambassador Richard Jones, Assistant Secretary Welch, NSC Director Elliott Abrams, and other senior officials. The United States and Israel look forward to continuing this dialogue in the Spring of 2006 in Israel.

2005/1115

Released on November 29, 2005