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To: Dale Baker who wrote (18518)	5/13/2006 4:24:44 AM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 541777

I talked about "factories" but they really are high-tech "plants" and office headquarters for service industries nowadays, plus call centers and WalMart distribution centers and such. Apart from foreign automakers, I don't know if anyone builds factories in the US any more. ;<)

To: Dale Baker who wrote (18518)	5/13/2006 5:50:45 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541777

The people who want the New South suburban lifestyle are pro-growth themselves and like the setup that the pro-growth politicians created. Ah, I see. I suspected the political leanings of the suburbs/exurbs, but I hadn't realised the political will to enable the development. That does make it clearer. <i.You can't function in most of Dallas without a car, period, not unless you enjoy walking a few miles to get groceries. I remember staying in Dallas for a week, a few years ago, in a pleasant non-chain hotel about 3 miles from downtown. I walked to the centre nearly every day, since there was nothing near the hotel (well, except rather a lot of rather gay bars) and I think I only saw about 4 other pedestrians... Nice little walk, too, since the weather stayed good. Mind you, if I'd had to carry shopping I might not have been so keen.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (18518)	5/13/2006 9:35:17 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Respond to of 541777

Bottom line - the suburban inhabitants feel like they were promised a certain way of life by those pro-growth pols and now they are pissed off. It works the same in every country, doesn't it ? The political unrest in France, as evidenced recently with the anti CPE (Contrat Première Embauche) temper tantrum was really about loss of certainty of continuing to enjoy the same long standing benefits that the previous generation had. I do not see the Republicans having any game plan to deal with the problems that inexorably rising gas prices will cause with this suburban lifestyle that makes up a significant voting base for them. Bush is still living in the War On Terror for God's sake. This should be cold comfort for Democrats because they can't easily fix the problem either. It's a far longer wave problem than one or two presidential terms.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (18518)	5/13/2006 10:42:34 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541777

i somehow doubt majority of suburbs feel let down. I think the opposite it more like it. I live out in chester county 30 miles west of philly. no way would i want to raise children in philly, or educate them in philly school system or pay the highest city income tax in the country and not have police protection. Crime and drugs are higher now than ever. robberies are now day time , armed and numerous. It is not the only city functioning this way and nationally we are not doing a thing about it. Imo this is the biggest crisis in our country not the iraq war or illegals coming across our borders , rather education and crime in our cities. I grew up in the city north of boston. ashes were our grass in 50's. no car, jet engines blasting from local factory (ge) at night. today that neighborhood is all drugs. you do not walk there in day or night time. I raised my kids in the both cities and country. I would take the country life anyday and not one regret. I may spend more for gas to commute which i did back in 70's from ct to scarsdale ny. Those days that was 100 mile trip during allocations, price increases. I chose to make the trip because of housing , schools, and landscape. A better quality of life imo for my family. This fuss over gasoline prices is not the current administration fault. It is a lack of congress over decades of not taking action to prevent this from happening. We also need to look in the mirror and blame ourselves for this problem. I assume the people in suburbs who are upset with gas prices are driving hogs suv's with big engines or vans that suck up gas like no tomorrow. Perhaps with the high prices of gasoline we should take the time to evaluate our life styles and make adjustments.