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To: eracer who wrote (198378)	5/23/2006 1:51:48 AM
From: mas_	Respond to of 275872

Indeed I agree, Opteron held its own and with DDR2 should benefit some more.

To: eracer who wrote (198378)	5/23/2006 2:19:52 AM
From: pgerassi	Respond to of 275872

Dear Eracer: Tech report mucks it up again showing its clear Intel bias. They don't use clearly available 1GB PC3200 CAS3 ECC 1T registered DIMMs instead of 512MB PC3200 DIMMs. They don't use better graphics clearly available (a ATI Radeon X300 PCI-E) instead of a Geforce 7900GTX just because the Woodcrest MB had an ATI ES1000 on it and they couldn't find a PCI-X based GPU. And then they had the audacity to do a bunch of graphics tests. Get real! And they claim that 4 thread rendering tests are irrelevant for Woodcrest vs Opteron because the Opteron was catching up. Only one thread tests were relevant because they showed bigger differences. This goes against any customer in that if you have four cores, you want to render with four threads. Next, the MB used was BSODing when people tried plugging in USB flash storage but, since they didn't do it, it was stable. As if any server buyer won't demand stability no matter what was plugged in. Get real! This is what Intel wants to ship next month? It has Eng Sample CPUs and FB-DIMMs. Not production ready stuff. It looks like they need to go back and do some more testing and need a respin of either the chipset, CPU or both. They might still launch it next month, but real deliveries may slip a few months further into the future. So a cherry picked CPUs, memories and MB versus real hardware, available for months at less than top configurations, has slightly better benchmarks. Lets wait for production quality available stuff from both sides before making comparisons. And by a less biased site. Pete

To: eracer who wrote (198378)	5/23/2006 2:45:09 AM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

What happened to Woodcrest in June? Intel is saying Woodcrest-based systems will be "definitely" be available in the third quarter of this year, but to give you some indication of how close it really is, we were allowed to poke, prod, test and examine a fully operational Bensley/Woodcrest system. If I were a betting man, I would expect the things to ship in early July, if not sooner. Intel is obviously pushing hard to get these things out of the door. They expect corporations to trust their data to the following?: These early Woodcrest systems were reasonably stable in our experience, although some others around us experienced BSODs when attempting to insert USB flash drives and the like. Excuse me, but plugging in a USB flash drive doesn't sound like the ultimate stability test, does it? They did many workstation-style benchmarks, but no server benchmarks. They only did two benchmarks in both 64-bit and 32-bit mode. On one, the Opteron system gained 10% vs. 1% on Woodcrest. On the other, Opteron gained 1% vs. 4% on Woodcrest. I think eracer's characterization that 3 GHz Opteron would have matched it is fair on these workstation type apps, but add the advantage of DDR2-800 and Opteron would pull ahead. Real server benchmarks with a lot of I/O would stress the FSB and result in a further Opteron advantage. It appears that 64-bit should do the same. Petz

To: eracer who wrote (198378)	5/23/2006 2:50:40 AM
From: titon1	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

"I don't think people realize how insane REV F is going to be, but I'm pretty sure it will please the most die hard enthusiasts." Rahul hmm...