To: neolib who wrote (187536 ) 5/27/2006 2:47:37 AM From: Hawkmoon Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500 Historically, in the case of Israel, we did promote and subsidize their creation, and continue to do so. By "we", whom to you refer??... Truman, or the US State Department?? Or some of the Zionist supporters in the US Senate?? Because there were many in the State department who were against partition of the British Mandate, but Truman saw thousands of votes he would need in the 1948 elections.trumanlibrary.org But then again, we see the hand of the newly founded UN in determining how the British Mandate over Palestine would be terminated and the disposition of the territory contained therein.Although most of the Commission's members acknowledged the need to find a compromise solution, it was difficult for them to envision one given the parties' intractability. At a meeting with a group of Arabs in Beirut, the Czechoslovakian member of the Commission told his audience: "I have listened to your demands and it seems to me that in your view the compromise is: We want our demands met completely, the rest can be divided among those left. "2 When they returned, the delegates of seven nations — Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, The Netherlands, Peru, Sweden and Uruguay — recommended the establishment of two separate states, Jewish and Arab, to be joined by economic union, with Jerusalem an internationalized enclave. Three nations — India, Iran and Yugoslavia — recommended a unitary state with Arab and Jewish provinces. Australia abstained. The Jews of Palestine were not satisfied with the small territory allotted to them by the Commission, nor were they happy that Jerusalem was severed from the Jewish State; nevertheless, they welcomed the compromise. The Arabs rejected the UNSCOP's recommendations. The ad hoc committee of the UN General Assembly rejected the Arab demand for a unitary Arab state. The majority recommendation for partition was subsequently adopted 33-13 with 10 abstentions on November 29, 1947. 3 And the Soviets?????After the British decided to bring the Palestine issue to the UN, Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin's adviser on Palestine asked a representative of the Jewish Agency why the Jews agreed to let the UN decide the fate of Palestine. "Don't you know," he said, "that the only way a Jewish state will be established is if the U.S. and Soviet Union agree? Nothing like that ever happened. It cannot possibly happen. It will never happen."In May 1947, however, Soviet delegate Andrei Gromyko said: The fact that no Western European State has been able to ensure the defense of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and to safeguard it against the violence of the fascist executioners explains the aspirations of the Jews to establish their own State. It would be unjust not to take this into consideration and to deny the right of the Jewish people to realize this aspiration.9 A few months later, the Soviet Union backed partition and, subsequently, became the second nation to recognize Israel. jewishvirtuallibrary.org The bottom line, Neolib.. was that the British Mandate, as well as the previous Ottoman Rule, had created a problem. The British brought in the Hashemites, who had no more right to rule Trans-Jordan than they did Iraq. And the people they ruled over were intransigent, uncompromising, and belligerent, and devoid of any understanding of the realities of the situation. In sum, they miscalculated and over-played their hand. They bet they could kick the @sses of the Jews and they lost. They chose war over compromise and peace. They chose "zero-sum" over flexibility and cooperation. And now they expect the rest of the world to have sympathy for their self-inflicted plight. And this continues to be the process they have pursued over the decades. The Palestinians could have had an independent state in 1948, if they had chosen to. But the Hashemites and Palestinian leadership made their little "drug deal" and changed the issue from being a Palestinian state, to "let's wipe the Jewish state off the map".. Nope.. I don't have much sympathy for the Palestinians. Only for the children who will wind up being trained to be the future martyrs of the next attempt to wipe a country off the map. Hawk