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Politics : Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Kerry -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: tonto who wrote (76555)	5/29/2006 2:03:03 PM
From: Orcastraiter	Respond to of 81568

Both Johnson and Nixon relied on special operations in Cambodia to determine the extent of NVA in the areas along the border with Cambodia and Laos. Both Presidents denied the presence of US troops in either country. They were covert operations. fas.org Barely a month had passed since Nixon was inaugurated that he ordered the secret bombing of NVA bases in Cambodia in the area where Kerry commanded his swift boat. And of Course Nixon denied that any American troops where there. Even though covert operations in the area began in 1964 and continued through 1972. The supposed quote by the Boston Herald does not have Kerry saying that Nixon was the president at the time of his incursion to Cambodia. That is not what it says. Read it again. It says that Nixon claimed that there were no troops in Cambodia. It is true that Nixon told that lie. And Kerry knew it was a lie because he participated in those operations in the preceding months. If the quote is accurate, and Kerry mentioned Nixon as having lied to the American people, which he and Johnson did, then it was correct. The quote does not say that Nixon was the president at the time of the incursion, only that he lied about American troops being present. That is the truth. Orca

To: tonto who wrote (76555)	5/29/2006 2:12:54 PM
From: tonto	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

This is how he described it to the Boston Herald in 1979: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies. . . . The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." Kerry of course made up the part of Nixon being President at the time. In fact, he even corrected himself during the camapign after it was brought to his attention that Nixon was not President at the time.

To: tonto who wrote (76555)	5/29/2006 3:51:59 PM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 81568

>>This is how he described it to the Boston Herald in 1979: "I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies. . . . The absurdity of almost being killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real." In 1986 Mr. Kerry argued on the Senate floor against U.S. support for the Nicaraguan contras, again citing the 1968 Christmas in Cambodia and "the president of the United States telling the American people I was not there; the troops were not in Cambodia. I have that memory which is seared--seared--in me." In a 1992 interview with the Associated Press the story came back: "By Christmas 1968, part of Kerry's patrol extended across the border of South Vietnam into Cambodia." Trouble is, the person who appears to have been wrong here about Mr. Kerry's location was not the president--who was Lyndon Johnson, not Nixon, by the way--but Mr. Kerry himself. His commanding officers all testify to this fact, as do men who were on his boat at the time. And so now, reluctantly, does the Kerry campaign.<< Tonto - Is it possible that Kerry simply mis-spoke? Is it possible that he meant to say "President-elect Nixon"? And even if not, even if Kerry did exaggerate his story for effect, many years later, what does this have to do with his Bronze Star, his Silver Star and his Purple Hearts? The official records of the Navy and ALL of the actual crewmen on his boat, support the validity of those medals. You don't want to talk about that, though, because in this never-ending game of "gotcha", the whole point is to find one thing you can claim is a lie, then beat the other side over the head with it forever, and use it to cast doubt on every single aspect of your opponent's character. - Allen PS: Your claim that George Bush is more intelligent than Kerry is hilarious.