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To: TechieGuy-alt who wrote (200258)6/3/2006 2:05:27 PM
From: dougSF30Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
Anybody that plans to ramp volume on their new process rather than high end- must be extremely confident of their process- not less so.

BS. 90nm yields high end, mainstream and low end. What's wrong with 65nm? They don't have to make a LOT of high end parts, but they clearly NEED some ASAP, and apparently they can't make them yet, otherwise they WOULD.

If AMD would have performance lead at year's end, then you might be able to make the argument, but they won't.

Also, just the fact that they can't ship 65nm until DECEMBER 2006 should tell you something went wrong. It used to be H106, now it is a hair away from H107.

Are you going to tell me you accept the niceguy delusion that AMD just feels they don't need 65nm until then? It's fine to be 20% behind in performance across the board?

If 65nm is great, where are the Rev G samples *with published power and clockspeed*? Why didn't they talk about it?



To: TechieGuy-alt who wrote (200258)6/3/2006 2:23:15 PM
From: Dan3Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
Re: With the demise of the clear Mhz as benchmark, there is no easy way for the consumer to determine relative performance.

That says it all, and is why Intel's mobile line is having problems competing with Turion.

AMD used to have trouble in the marketplace because of all the high ghz - sometimes 64-bit - mobile p4 systems out there.

Intel had to kill off mobile P4 because it was making 32 bit 1.Xghz Pentium M and Core look like crap to buyers.

But that killed off their biggest defense against AMD, at the same time.



To: TechieGuy-alt who wrote (200258)6/3/2006 3:55:37 PM
From: combjellyRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 275872
 
"Then he extrapolated that to mean there must be something wrong with 65nm."

As did Dougie, apparently. Given how they incrementally refine their transistor characteristics, there is no reason to expect better performance at first from a new process. Now true, you can take the stance that they are trying some CYA to cover up problems, but...