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To: DavesM who wrote (188543)	6/6/2006 10:56:10 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

That's because under Saddam, people wouldn't be taken to the morgue - they'd just go straight to a mass burial pit. One way to gauge Saddam's rule, is that for every month he was in power roughly 10,000 people died. Saddam was an Arab Pol Pot. I'm with you Dave. There really weren't any records of that, let's say it was 20,000 per month. That way we have a comfortable margin of safety. As long as we keep the Baghdad main morgue death toll below 20,000 per month we're making great progress. jttmab

To: DavesM who wrote (188543)	6/6/2006 10:58:57 AM
From: bentway	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

"That's because under Saddam, people wouldn't be taken to the morgue - they'd just go straight to a mass burial pit. One way to gauge Saddam's rule, is that for every month he was in power roughly 10,000 people died. Saddam was an Arab Pol Pot." 28 years x 12 months x 10,000 = 3,360,000 bodies! Have we REALLY found that many Dave? I think we're claiming 300,000 over 28 years, which would add up to about 893 a month. So, the 1498 for this month would seem to be pretty horrific, even by the very low bar set by Saddam. It's time to leave when you're trying to make the case that not as many people are dying under OUR occupation as died under Saddam, and failing.

To: DavesM who wrote (188543)	6/6/2006 11:00:07 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

We're making significant progress with the health and welfare of Iraqi children as well.... David Singh, a spokesman for UNICEF's Iraq Support Centre in neighbouring Jordan, said the number of acutely malnourished children had more than doubled, to 9 per cent in 2005 from 4 per cent in 2002, the last year of Saddam's rule. abc.net.au Now that is something for President Bush to boast about! jttmab

To: DavesM who wrote (188543)	6/6/2006 11:09:30 AM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

4% to 9% doesn't really give one an overall sense of the impact does it. Let's take a look at 2004 [because it's handy] when the severe malnutrition rate was but 7.7%. "....it shot up to 7.7 percent this year, according to a study conducted by Iraq's Health Ministry in cooperation with Norway's Institute for Applied International Studies and the U.N. Development Program. The new figure translates to roughly 400,000 Iraqi children suffering from "wasting," a condition characterized by chronic diarrhea and dangerous deficiencies of protein." washingtonpost.com

To: DavesM who wrote (188543)	6/6/2006 11:12:02 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Iraq: children suffer as food insecurity persists, UNICEF reports 12 May 2006 – Despite the laudable efforts of Iraq’s public distribution of food, many of Iraq’s poorer households still lack enough to eat, the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) said today, citing a new food security and vulnerability analysis. The survey was considered very comprehensive, covering 98 districts and 22,050 rural and urban households, and employed seven leading indicators: stunting, underweight, wasting, per cent of population who were extremely poor and other factors. “The chronic malnutrition rate of children in food insecure households was as high as 33 per cent, or one out of every three children malnourished,” said Roger Wright, UNICEF’s Special Representative for Iraq. Chronic malnutrition affects the youngest and most vulnerable children, aged 12 months to 23 months, most severely. “This can irreversibly hamper the young child’s optimal mental and cognitive development, not just their physical development,” said Mr. Wright. Acute malnutrition was also of concern, with 9 per cent of Iraqi children being acutely malnourished. The study, based on the most recent data from 2005, was successfully conducted by the Ministry of Planning and Development Cooperation and Central Organization for Statistics & Information Technology and the Ministry of Health/Nutrition Research Institute, supported by the UN World Food Programme (WFP) and UNICEF. Continuing food insecurity in Iraq cannot be attributed to any one factor, but stems from several causes, including the lingering effects of war and sanctions, plus the ongoing conflict and insecurity, UNICEF said. un.org