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To: KLP who wrote (169686)	6/13/2006 4:48:54 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793801

Come come KLP...........your links are redundant. They are read by no more than a few of us and ignored by the rest. One could talk till their blue and type till their fingers are raw.......and read a gazillion pieces regarding wmds in Iraq, (yawn) the ME in general, terrorism, SH and the WOT (do liberals even believe the WOT exists?) you aren't going to convince those who wish to talk monsters to death or have a problem facing danger head on that aggression is sometimes the only option. The thought, let alone the act, is just too icky or something? There will always be better ways of doing things than the way it actually is. And of course at the same time perfection is always expected no matter what. Therefore we will all analyze, and research......come to our own conclusions, and butt heads with others over the facts. But what I find most amazing is that any of us think we really understand the pressure people tasked with protecting this nation endure. I've said it before; thank goodness for the Internet. Without it little would be revealed, and what is would be orchestrated to reflect a pov or an opinion that I might not much agree with. (Remember the era of CBS and Uncle Walter.......that creep?) And isn't it grand that we can challenge and debate under certain circumstances and by certain rules......which are being expanded thanks to some brave individual who shall remain un-named. From Rathergate to Gitmo to Haditha to the undeclared political war on our military to the all too common "correction" in national newspapers on page B12. The if only this' and only thats' are OK in story book tales, but don't hold allot of water in real time and under such extreme scrutiny. This isn't directed to any one individual at all, but I for one am more inclined to have faith in my President. Unfortunately, I have admittedly had a few disappointments. I always liked what Kennedy said when he asked me....no told me.........to ask what I can do for my country. I don't consider the constant bashing and rehashing very supportive, and I definitely don't have allot of faith in all the bloviators. Goodnight!

To: KLP who wrote (169686)	6/13/2006 1:05:20 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793801

You're twisting my words. I've never, not once, not ever, said that Bush was lying about Iraqi WMD. I'm saying that the intelligence on Iraqi WMD programs was massaged and cherry-picked to support the war, and dissenting intelligence was rejected, even when it came from US intelligence sources. For the allegation that dissenting intelligence, all of which proved to be accurate, I am sticking with the words of former CIA director Tenet, National Security Advisor Hadley, the President's own commission investigating intelligence failures, the Senate Intelligence Committee's report (first part is out now, second part still to come), and various declassified documents. With respect to the Niger yellowcake, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that the most that the President reasonably could have said is that Saddam "might" have been trying to obtain yellowcake from Niger, and that the CIA should have told the President and members of Congress that the State Department intelligence agency disputed this, and that the CIA was reviewing it because it had become apparent that the assessment was based on forgeries and false reports. See conclusion 1 of that report: "Conclusion 1: Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence." See Niger Conclusions, pp. 37-48 of the Niger chapter in the Senate Intelligence Committee report. a257.g.akamaitech.net With respect to the aluminum tubes, see the conclusions at the end of the chapter on the next chapter, on Iraq's nuclear program. a257.g.akamaitech.net nytimes.com I am aware that you still think that somebody (the Easter Bunny?) spirited WMD out of Iraq, but the President and the Senate and the CIA don't say this.