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To: GST who wrote (189168)	6/13/2006 12:50:08 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

It is unfortunate people know so little of history, or they would know just how extreme the destruction of Japan was. We could never get away with doing in Iraq, what was done in Japan. I don't even think we could get away with doing to Japan what was done to Japan, in this more modern age of new reporting. People in the US would not stand for the incineration of women and children, or at least I don't think they would. ........ Message 20917716 a link that gives some idea of just how demoralizing and destructive the bombing campaign of Japan was. I believe some cities were more than 70% destroyed. Major cities like Tokyo suffered horrendous damage. Not only did our bombing weaken Japan, but long costly foreign adventures had also weakened it- and so, sadly, the demoralization and defeat of the Japanese has very little to tell us about Iraq (unless we want to bomb the cities of Iraq to oblivion).

To: GST who wrote (189168)	6/13/2006 2:39:04 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The South Vietnamese people were grateful for the Americans help, as far as it went. I just met one of the escapees, who escaped with this 4 siblings and their parents on the final day of that war....He has learned English, has two businesses', has become a US Citizen, and has started a non-profit organization for children worldwide. He is my idea of a true American. He also is asked to speak throughout the US, and he told me he loves to tell his story....He thinks that America is truly the best country in the world. It offers everything to those who want to work hard and achieve. I'm so very proud of him and his family. It was truly an honor for me to be able to sit next to him for a couple of hours, and hear what he had to say. Our organization has given him a National Award....

To: GST who wrote (189168)	6/13/2006 8:48:33 PM
From: Win Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't know where the Japan thing came from, but on the subject of Hitchens' bloviations in Message 22536214 I recommend the article in Message 22531889 for a much fuller account of what Jordanian intelligence thought about Zarqawi. It's a long article, so I will quote the exciting conclusion, one I don't imagine either Hitchens or sojourners from LindyBill's Church of W will much want to read: Before leaving Amman, three months before al-Zarqawi’s death, I had asked the high-level Jordanian intelligence official with whom I met whether al-Zarqawi, in his view, was a potential challenger to Osama bin Laden. “Not at all,” he replied. “Zarqawi had the ambition to become what he has, but whatever happens, even if he becomes the most popular figure in Iraq, he can never go against the symbolism that bin Laden represents. If Zarqawi is captured or killed tomorrow, the Iraqi insurgency will go on. There is no such thing as ‘Zarqawism.’ What Zarqawi is will die with him. Bin Laden, on the other hand, is an ideological thinker. He created the concept of al-Qaeda and all of its offshoots. He feels he’s achieved his goal.” He paused for a moment, then said, “Osama bin Laden is like Karl Marx. Both created an ideology. Marxism still flourished well after Marx’s death. And whether bin Laden is killed, or simply dies of natural causes, al-Qaedaism will survive him.”