To: Proud_Infidel who wrote (8175 ) 6/15/2006 7:56:23 AM From: Sully- Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 14758 RE: Glaciers disappearing "on every continent". First, global warming fanatics rule the debate that most folks hear, so we have been fed a mountain of BS. Second, even if global warming is as bad as claimed (it's not) & it's mainly due to humans (it's not), there is almost nothing that could be done to slow it let alone stop it. If we did what the environmental kooks want (Koyoto, ET AL), the economic & human consequences would be beyond cataclysmic. And those glaciers would continue to recede (or advance) in spite of our attempts to change things. Yes, we should take every realistic step to reduce all forms of pollution. We also should insist that the debate about the environment & global warming be reality based, not agenda driven by fanatical activists & scientists who know they would be unemployed (no more grants) if they accurately reported the results of their work (IE - global warming is not a huge threat to mankind). Is a New Ice Age Under Way? the best-measured glacier in North America, the Nisqually on Mount Rainier, has been growing since 1931 http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21932262 The Tip of the Iceberg Message 21261559 THE ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING DOCTRINE Geologist can play an important role in these independent assessments. Geologic history tells us how climate has changed naturally at all time scales, from the two "snow- ball earth" periods in the Precambrian, through the ice ages in the Ordovician and Carboniferous-Permian, to the Cretaceous warm period, to the ice-age period we are living in now, and from the 1500-year climate fluctuations in the Holocene through the century-scale fluctuations in the past millennia (of which the present "Modern Warm Period" is one), to the climate effects of the 11-year sunspot cycles. Glaciologists can tell the AGW alarmists that the retreat of some glaciers is not due to AGW They can point out that many glaciers have been retreating since the Little Ice Age, while others have been static or are advancing. They can point out that many glaciers started to retreat already in the eighteenth century, long before any increase in man-made greenhouse gases. For instance, the Franz Josef Glacier [South Island, New Zealand] started to retreat in 1750 and has had several advances since then as well, the last one starting in 1996. Another example is the large Gangotri Glacier in the Himalayas, which has been retreating since 1780. http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=14429&cid=18&cname=Opinion