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To: TimF who wrote (20971)	6/14/2006 3:26:19 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541236

""Less than 10 years." That, Gore warns, is all the time that "leading scientists" say we may have "before we cross a point of no return" — unless we make a "really good start toward dramatic changes" to combat global warming. Those human changes, he says, are driven by burning fossil fuels that pump out greenhouse gases like CO2, carbon dioxide. Hansen says his research shows that man has just 10 years to reduce greenhouse gases before global warming reaches what he calls a tipping point and becomes unstoppable. He says the White House is blocking that message. cbsnews.com ========================================== "Deaths from global warming will double in just 25 years -- to 300,000 people a year." Climate Shift Tied To 150,000 Fatalities Most Victims Are Poor, Study Says By Juliet Eilperin Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, November 17, 2005; Page A20 Earth's warming climate is estimated to contribute to more than 150,000 deaths and 5 million illnesses each year, according to the World Health Organization, a toll that could double by 2030. The data, being published today in the journal Nature, indicate that climate change is driving up rates of malaria, malnutrition and diarrhea throughout the world. washingtonpost.com

To: TimF who wrote (20971)	6/14/2006 3:27:06 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541236

>>an over-representation of factual presentations<< We discussed this briefly upthread. I don't see why you included this particular quote in that post. Don't see the relevance to the consensus question.

To: TimF who wrote (20971)	6/14/2006 3:54:47 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541236

Tim, I can see you're having a hard time seeing just how garbled interview stuff can get. I'm not arguing Gore did not say it. I'm arguing that, if you wish to say he said it, you need to check things like his book and/or the movie. That's all. Interview data is suspect data. At least at the level you and I are talking at the moment.

To: TimF who wrote (20971)	6/14/2006 3:57:41 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541236

"I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is, as a predicate for opening up the audience to listen to what the solutions are, and how hopeful it is that we are going to solve this crisis." I see, downstream, that Karen wondered about this quote. I had decided to simply pass it up since we've discussed it. The best interpretation of this quote, again assuming it's accurate, is that in the balance between presentations as to the dangers involved and the solutions, you need more of the former now, that as folk become more aware of the dangers, the mix begins to balance.