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To: michael97123 who wrote (189680)	6/19/2006 1:17:05 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Bashing clinton for being naive on a host of FP issues as well as terrorism is a bit disingenous. Actually, I blame Carter for forcing Clinton to "hop on" the political bandwagon when Carter returned with his own version of Chamberlain's "peace in our time" agreement. It was naive, had no real teeth to it, and little reason for other countries to pay attention since they were not "invited" to the party. Hillary is one of the tougher democrats on this issue and even Bill has been pro war from the beginning. Pro-War is not how I prefer to define what our position should be. No one should be "pro-war", but rather, supportive of the fact that we've tried the carrot time and time again, and now it's time for a bit of "stick" until we can get the attention of these regimes that shelter and support those terrorist groups. And again.. I'm really not interested in playing the "blame-game" because there is more than enough to go around, including with those regimes who provide sanctuary, or fail to decisively counter, Islamo-Fascist groups and ideologues. But I'll do it when I see "useful idiots" with the mindset of Noel, Sly, and Geo pontificating that Bush is responsible for every evil known to mankind.. The bottom line is that the American people have to make some very hard decisions about whether we should stand up and fight for the values we hold so dear, and to shamelessly promote them wherever we can establish fertile ground. There's a reason this country is the only super-power in the world, militarily and economically. And there's a reason that millions of people attempt (and mainly succeed) in smuggling themselves into our borders to share the bounty our values have provided to them. I think it's high time that we help them to attain the same values (human rights, rule of law, political diversity in a peaceful democratic system of government.. etc) so they don't feel compelled to seek it here. Hawk

To: michael97123 who wrote (189680)	6/19/2006 3:07:08 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

Pre 9/11, Bush 43 didn't have any moments of provocation which he needed to react to, such as the bombing of Khobar Towers, Saddam's kicking out the inspectors, bombing of the USS Cole, etc. Clinton did, so it's not fair to equate the situations.