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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Solon who wrote (24165)6/30/2006 11:22:57 AM
From: one_less  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 28931
 
So you are disputing that there can be any common ideas that are discoverable independantly, correct; the notion of 'rock' for example? Your view is that some people are incapable of that notion and innately discover calcite without ever having had the notion of 'rock', likewise some people will discover God messages in material and will be unable to know that material is a rock, while others will stumble around unintelligibly until a trilobite gives meaning to their experience. OK.



To: Solon who wrote (24165)6/30/2006 12:04:32 PM
From: TigerPaw  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 28931
 
It was six men of Indostan 
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind
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The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
“God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!”
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The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, “Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me ’tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!”
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The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a snake!”
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The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
“What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain,” quoth he;
“ ‘Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!”
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The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: “E’en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!”
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The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
“I see,” quoth he, “the Elephant
Is very like a rope!”
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And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
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Moral:
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So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!

- John Godfrey Saxe



To: Solon who wrote (24165)7/1/2006 5:01:25 AM
From: 2MAR$  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 28931
 
Because a rock is a discrete reality it will naturally be experienced in similar manner by intelligent creatures. Your experience of the rock (your "ideas") are concepts that arise from your perceptions.

All manner of rocks out there , from the rare to the common silicate . Yet to know which are the sacred rocks vs which are not....ahhh , that is the key ! We pile them up in great heaps more organized as time wore on , arranging them and fitting them together to form walls and defences and cities , like certain shell creatured denizens of the sea . And for launching missles , the ones formed from heat thrown from the volcanoes that could be flinted into sharp points and edges , revolutionized our ways of life on earth .

There is the talisman stones marked with magic signs that were believed to confer upon the wearer some supernatural powers & protection . The rare rose & ivory granites from which the adoring statues of graceful women & mighty men were carved to stand as testament to our idea of undying admiration of beauty & strength . There is the rock of faith and the rock of ages and the rock that the mussel & cockles fastens too and the lichen which derives also its sustenance from . We are composed of the elements of rocks ourselves ,
which might be an innate inherent a clue !

There are also curling rocks are made of rare, dense, and polished granite quarried only on Ailsa Craig, an island off Scotland's coast to to which the Norwegians and Finns also delight in launching along the ice ....and the Vodka or Scotch on~the~rocks to celebrate their victory after, or to commiserate the loss .

* Then there are the "rocks" who are very tight players in poker who only bet and raise only in highly "favorable" circumstances and sit there endlessly patient .

;-)