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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (24238)	6/30/2006 6:42:48 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 28931

"My axiom, as I have stated, is cause and effect. What caused the gumball to form? What caused it to inflate? What if the Universe springs a leak?

To: TigerPaw who wrote (24238)	7/1/2006 12:11:56 AM
From: LLCF	Respond to of 28931

< Whenever I see a theory that says there can be an effect which is not informationally linked to the cause I can reject it out of first principals (the axiom). > If you're looking for "The cause" in the non-linear domain, you're never going to see the infomationally linked phenomena. And if you "reject" something that it hasn't been tested adequately, clearly it's a meaninless rejection. <My axiom, as I have stated, is cause and effect.> As to cause and effect, as I said earlier: 1.) In the reality of the non-linear world there is no "this causing of that" exactly... there is "this happens when conditions are right, including this, this, this...." One need to look no further than what causes a rain storm. Cancer and disease research is proving this out in spades... in biology we are relegated to studying changes in conditions of systems rather than thinking we're ever going to prove a causes b. 2.) With the advent of modern physics, we are seeing that 1.) above is starting to be clarified: en.wikipedia.org <<New subtleties must be taken into account when we investigate causality in quantum mechanics and relativistic quantum field theory in particular. In quantum field theory, causality is closely related to the principle of locality. A careful analysis of the phenomena is needed, and the outcome slightly depends on the chosen interpretation of quantum mechanics: this is especially the case of the experiments involving quantum entanglement that require Bell's Theorem for their implications to be fully understood>> DAK