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To: Constant Reader who wrote (172125)	7/2/2006 5:07:29 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793895

BTW, I've seen no statement by anyone involved in this program, or briefed on this program (including the New York Times editors) alleging that this program ceased being useful at any time prior to publication. Have you? Nope, haven't seen that either.

To: Constant Reader who wrote (172125)	7/3/2006 12:55:36 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793895

LB posted an article by David Frum earlier today, with 5 points that many didn't see.....The points are quite valid to the argument that "the terrorists knew everything already...." >>>>. There's a big difference between knowledge of the general outline of a program and knowledge of its specific operational details. Here are some details from the June 23 story that you have to wonder whether the terrorists knew before: i) The US and its allies are tracking not only bank accounts, but also information from stock exchanges and mutual fund managers. <ii) The US does not however have easy access to individual ATM transactions on American soil. iii) Wire transfer information is not available in real time, but only after a lag of several weeks. iv) Nor is it logistically possible to get real-time information on credit-card purchases - of, for example, fertilizer or timing devices. v) The United Arab Emirates fully cooperates with the program. vi) Individual member banks are growing unhappy with the program and want it to end. Doesn't that strike you as potentially useful information - especially points iii and vi? Message 22590519