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To: Dale Baker who wrote (23011)	7/6/2006 3:24:43 AM
From: RMF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541355

There's another factor involved in future growth of the South and Southwest, which will probably come along much faster than any shortage of fossil fuels. That's a shortage of water. Whether global warming has something to do with it or not, we are now seeing the development of drought conditions which may persist for MANY years.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (23011)	7/6/2006 7:00:52 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541355

You may think the rhetoric turns as many people off, but given the way Americans responded to the evangelical rhetoric by Bush, on terror, I think you could be quite wrong. My problem with folks saying that Gore is not effective is that there is no evidence that he is not. All the evidence, in fact, suggests the opposite at the moment. I'm willing to contemplate that he might be turning more people off, but unless provided with some proof (more than anecdotal examples from people who aren't typical anyway) I can't give the POV much credence- and it keeps being stated as if it were a fact, which seems odd to me.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (23011)	7/6/2006 7:32:39 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541355

Economic growth is the biggest political stumbling block you will run into as you try to get the world behind a determined anti-GW strategy. Nicely done, Dale. This post lays out, about as clearly as I've ever seen it done, one of the impediments to addressing global warming. However, I don't get from it to the conclusion nothing can be done. Until everything can be done. For instance, take Al Gore. It's been well known, for well over a decade that environmental issues were one of his signature political vocations. Yet Gore actually won the popular vote in 2000. And if he had a more winning personality and, most importantly, a better political strategy, we would have been spared that last six years of confrontational chaos. So I don't think politicians who take global warming seriously are dooming themselves to non-careers. As for this: But the evangelical quality of Gore's mobilization style leaves no room for the skeptics. That misrepresents the Gore who appears in the film. The entire point of the film is to place arguments in front of skeptics. And, in that respect, it's apparently doing much better than I anticipated when I first heard about it. His attack is on the industry PR strategies which try to undermine the science. He recognizes the development issues but, as he has been quoted in various places, thinks they can be addressed.