To: Machaon who wrote (11544 ) 7/15/2006 10:40:51 AM From: sea_urchin Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 22250 Robert > Your point is what? In case you didn't know, I'm a white South African and we had exactly the same problem in SA as Israel has in the Mid East, namely a foreign culture and a different race in a region which is totally dominated by a black (negroid) race and non-Western culture. For hundreds of years white South Africans also tried to hold on to power with political manoeuvres and religious arguments. This gave rise to apartheid (separation) with the blacks put into different "reservations" called Bantustans. The situation in Southern Africa, especially since WW2, became increasingly violent both in the region and in SA. Whatever the reason for it, and there's no doubt that the US had a lot to do with it, the white regime capitulated in favor of the black ANC which has run the country for the past 10 years. Whites continue to live in SA, much as before, but without political power. Today, the country is regarded as an example of "democracy", whatever that is. Indeed, an Israeli delegation was here last year to see it for themselves and to consult with the various parties. My point is that if it did not suit the US to keep Israel as a military bastion in the oil-rich Mid East, fighting its wars, Israel would have had to settle with the Palestinians on the best terms possible. Indeed, there are many Israelis who want no more than that, even today, and would be happy to negotiate with Hamas, but their voices are drowned by the religious fundamentalists and right-wing fanatics who clearly seek either complete domination of the region with ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, similar to what existed in SA, or another Masada. The situation has now been escalated to the point where reason cannot prevail and because of the mutual hatred, continued violence and war are the only possible outcomes. Moderates have no part to play here and only extremists on both sides are heard. To me, this is a tragedy for the whole world because it affects the whole world and is no longer a regional issue. This is what concerns me. I do not hold the Muslims/Palestinians responsible for the situation they find themselves in. Indeed, it was forced on them by events in Europe and the ardent desire of European Jewry to find a national home after WW2. But the Palestinians are nevertheless the initial victims in the situation, they have lost their land and that should be addressed before there is any talk about terrorism. IMO, a non-violent settlement with the Palestinians could have and should have been reached but this did not suit the powers-that-be. And it certainly did not suit Israel.