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To: Gulo who wrote (9467)	7/16/2006 1:31:52 PM
From: Cogito Ergo Sum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37271

G, It is a naive mistake, for example, to blame the Lebanese government for not disarming Hezbollah Good post. I think Harper was too quick to jump on the Israel has a right to defend itself Bandwagon vis a vis Lebanon.. It is a different situation than Gaza. tyke... I hope you are sitting down as you read my post LOL... Al

To: Gulo who wrote (9467)	7/16/2006 1:42:29 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Respond to of 37271

#2 is the most likely to continue as no one seems to be seeking #4. The only plausible way to reach solution #4, imho, is for the goal of the state of Israel to change from "being a Jewish state" to "being a state were Jews can live freely and safely". The one-state option for Israel & Palestine was actually the most popular among both Israelis and Palestinians until the current intifada. The governments and special interest groups would not have their interests advanced by such a solution, so the conflict drags on. Unfortunately no one sees the other alternative. If it were not for Muslim Extremists, Palestine could be as bountiful and modern as Israel as could Lebanon. It would be an advantage to Israel to have Palestine a rich and prosperous and peaceful country. Imagine if the aid given to Hamas for weapons or to Hezbollah had been spent on making the lives of Palestinians and the Lebanese richer and more productive. Imagine if the families of suicide bombers had the money to decide not to allow their children to blow themselves up. Israel and it's settlers are no different than Canada. The Israelis displaced the Palestinians, and the Canadians displaced the First Nations. And just like Canadians are not going back to Europe, so the Israelis are not leaving Israel. Should Canadians discuss living under a FN government? Of Course not. Given the behavior of the Palestinians, thier election of Hamas as government and their stated desire to drive the Jews into the Sea, the only situation as I see it is to kill all of the members of Hamas and Hezbollah. I prefer the "send out the assassins and kill them one at a time at night route", but sooner or later we will have to kill anyone who follows the path of Jihad. Personally I hope they start at the top and work their way down.

To: Gulo who wrote (9467)	7/16/2006 6:05:50 PM
From: seventh_son	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37271

Wise words, Gulo. Indeed, it seems that far too many people see this issue as a black/white one and are happy with escalating the violence and hatred. Before righteously blaming one party for allowing violence to occur, in this case the Lebanese government, we should remember some other people who have allowed violence to occur. Take as an example, that in 1982 a Lebanese Christian militia allied with the Israelis and supported by them with money and weapons, massacred, according to Red Cross reports, 2400 Palestinians in two refugee camps, while Ariel Sharon, former PM of Israel and military commander at the time, stood by right beside the camp with his troops sealing off the escape exits, and did nothing? freerepublic.com Now Lebanon is being pounded to rubble as a result of some sort of self-righteous outrage that two soldiers were kidnapped? Can any reasonable person justify this? And speaking once again of appeasement, who got away with partial responsibility for a horrendous massacre to the extent of even becoming a prime minister afterwards?

To: Gulo who wrote (9467)	7/16/2006 9:25:57 PM
From: Ichy Smith	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 37271

It is a naive mistake, for example, to blame the Lebanese government for not disarming Hezbollah. It would be nice to believe that just because they are assigned the responsibility that they would automatically have the power. I don't think the Israelis were blaming the Lebanese Government for not routing out Hezbollah. I think they were simply trying to get their soldiers back before they were shipped to Iran. Just like I don't think that Israel blames the Palestinians, they are at the point that they try to figure out where the missiles come from, and then bomb the heck out of the spot.... Blame is useless, If you know where a missile was fired from, and reduce it to rubble, it can't be used again. Yes there may be peripheral damage, but well, look at the damage to Dresden in the second world war. Eventually the Germans stopped fighting. Personally I think that israel should be killing the families of the bombers.