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To: Road Walker who wrote (295158)	7/16/2006 7:21:05 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572965

re: I don't now of any liberals who joined with the neocons in wanting this war as the author claims Look at how many Dems politicians (assumption liberals) voted to authorize the invasion. Remember what a minority we were when we were against the war in front of it? I guess I don't see many of the Dems as true liberals but rather more as politicians who maybe are more left than the GOP. I lean further left than you do but remember I was an independent before Bush as well and voted for either party depending on which one I thought would do the better job. re: In fact, I don't see the neocons as idealistic. I see them more as egotists who are trying rebuild the world in their/the US's image. What could be more idealistic than that? Just because you don't share the ideal, it doesn't mean it's not an ideal. I guess if you see idealism as the quest for perfection, there is some connection to egotism. Most of the liberals that I have read or have known don't espouse idealism as an extention of themselves any more than anyone else, and in most cases, they seem to do it less than others. But my sampling may not be an accurate one. re: Neocons may be ~neo but it was the GOP that lapped up their ideology. Now is the GOP representative of the conservatives as well as the neocons......or just the neocons? I think the answer to that question needs to be determined before any of us can go forward. The truth is a lot of Bush's base is very much intact and they are no small splinter group. Their numbers are measured by the millions. Even people like Elroy who claim they didn't vote for him believe in what's he's doing. The author clearly doesn't. Do you? re: I never knew that there was a large group of Americans who believe that power makes right; that America sits next to God.......if not literally, then figuratively. I think that issue needs to be dealt with before we morph into "progressive realism" or any other ~ism.I think there needs to be a national discussion as to what it means to be American and how we see ourselves in the world. Nations go through soul searching from time to time. I think now is America's time. I am afraid if we don't that 30 years hence we will be right back where we are now. Funny, I thought that was what the author was doing.... soul searching and proposing alternatives. I'm surprised you found his alternative so objectionable??? It sounded to me that he had already come to a conclusion and was promoting "progressive realism" as the solution. Frankly, I would really like to hear what people in the various parts of this country believe right now.......not in sound bytes but town hall meetings that go on for a year and allow a national dialogue to develop. Right now, I feel very estranged from the red states and the red state mentality. I want to know if we are as different as the media paints us. I think a lot of people feel that way. And there is no one person that can sum things up for us........it has to be people, lots of people, talking their guts out.