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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (192201)7/20/2006 12:33:10 AM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
If you are beat up and the cops come and bust the perp, should you get a bill for their "service"?

The truth is that everyone in that community gets to foot the bill. Standing police forces are paid for by each taxpayer.

But when someone acts foolishly, such as being involved in a mountain rescue because they were injured or caught in a storm, normally the rescued person is charged for the cost of that rescue (or at least a portion of it).

You're also charged for ambulance rides, so god forbid you need to be medevaced by helicopter.

Exactly where WERE the volunteers wiling to go to Lebanon to get US citizens out?

If I knowingly go into a country reknowned for instability, is the government responsible for my actions without asking for some compensation to cover the cost of my evacuation?

Listen.. I'll be damn grateful to pay that money, rather than face the alternative of staying there and putting my life at risk unecessarily.. If they can't afford $300 to pay the evacuation fee, they shouldn't be over there in the first place.

And I can say this from personal experience.. my sister and her husband are currently in Lebanon waiting for evacuation.

Hawk



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (192201)7/20/2006 1:25:43 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Exactly where WERE the volunteers wiling to go to Lebanon to get US citizens out?

This was precisely my point.

There are fewer and fewer volunteers...in every day life as well as in disasters....

Look around you the next few months....you will find lots of things that volunteers did, that go begging now. Reading to folks in nursing homes, for instance. Or writing letters for them, because their hands are too shakey....etc etc etc.

Toooooo many people today think everything should be taken care of by the Government.



To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (192201)7/21/2006 1:08:49 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Laz, you asked: Were those areas as badly hit? I had the impression that the breaking of the dikes in NO and consequent flooding were much more damaging than occurred elsewhere. Having little knowledge in this area, I WILL have to bow to superior authority. However, documentation certainly should be provided.

It is my impression that Alabama and Mississippi did get hit by the hurricane even harder than LA. BUT, in LA, New Orleans had the misfortune to have the dikes breech, and it was the massive flooding that happened so quickly that caused such massive damage in NO.

But there are MANY sites out there that talk about the hurricane in general....This one has links all over the article.

en.wikipedia.org

The storm surge caused major or catastrophic damage along the coastlines of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana, including the cities of Mobile (Alabama), Biloxi and Gulfport (Mississippi), and Slidell (Louisiana). Levees separating Lake Pontchartrain and Lake Borgne from New Orleans were breached by the surge, ultimately flooding roughly 80% of the city and many areas of neighboring parishes. Severe wind damage was reported well inland.

Mandatory evacuations were issued for large areas of southeast Louisiana as well as coastal Mississippi and Alabama. About 1.2 million residents of the Gulf Coast were covered under some sort of evacuation order.[1]

On August 26, the state of Mississippi activated its National Guard in preparation of the storm's landfall. Additionally, the state government activated its Emergency Operations Center the next day, and local governments began issuing evacuation orders. By 7:00 p.m. EDT on August 28, 11 counties and eleven cities issued evacuation orders, a number which increased to 41 counties and 61 cities by the following morning. Moreover, 57 emergency shelters were established on coastal communities, with 31 additional shelters available to open if needs warranted.[6]

The Louisiana State Evacuation Plan left the means of evacuation up to individual citizens, parish governments, and private caretakers; however, many private care-taking facilities who relied on the same bus companies and ambulance services for evacuation were unable to evacuate their charges. Fuel and rental cars were in short supply and many forms of public transportation had been shut down well before the storm arrived.[7] Some estimates claimed that 80% of the 1.3 million residents of the greater New Orleans metropolitan area evacuated, leaving behind substantially fewer people than remained in the city during the Hurricane Ivan evacuation.[8]

By Sunday, August 28, most infrastructure along the Gulf coast had been shut down, including all Canadian National Railway and Amtrak rail traffic into the evacuation areas as well as the Waterford Nuclear Generating Station.[9] The NHC maintained the coastal warnings until late on August 29, by which time Hurricane Katrina was over central Mississippi.[1]