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To: Lane3 who wrote (24580)	7/20/2006 12:46:42 PM
From: see clearly now	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540952

Bingo..."At the very least they want us out of their faces. That's what they want..." !!!! now how do you get out of thier faces?

To: Lane3 who wrote (24580)	7/20/2006 1:06:40 PM
From: mph	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 540952

How about the notion that the radical Islamic leaders just want power and that terrorism is the way they think they can achieve it? They have the ability to motivate and indoctrinate youth and others who feel oppressed. In order to motivate in this context, there has to be an identified enemy. The U.S. and western civilization at large provide good targets because of the huge disparity in size, power and wealth. I notice that some are quick to ascribe those type of tactics to the U.S. government (e.g. using the war on terror to justify other activities and to garner more power.) Why should the opposition be any different? I just don't buy the notion that terrorist actions are somehow justified or justifiable because of perceived wrongs perpetrated by the U.S. or the west at large. At minimum, if that position is being advocated, the corollary should likewise apply, i.e., that response to terrorism is equally justified. What I find interesting is that you often find people willing to justify the terrorism, but not the response to it. Just some random thoughts............

To: Lane3 who wrote (24580)	7/20/2006 1:42:18 PM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 540952

We're different from them and we're crowding their life style and disrupting their self image. Yesterday I was looking at an article about the spread of farming from the Middle East into Europe during the Neolithic, which had a diagram/map which purported to show genetic diversity. If the map is accurate, genetic diversity in the Middle East is less than 30%, with at least 70% of the population sharing the same genes. Genetic diversity spreads out into Europe in sort of concentric rings, with the more distant areas showing the most diversity. Ben's going to check out the book the diagram supposedly came from for me later today, but if it's true, perhaps the above statement is truer than you think. They don't seem to have much toleration of diversity, speaking anecdotally. Which is very different from, say, the Ottoman Turks, who made a practice of bringing disparate conquered peoples into the administration of their empire, as did the Romans, as do we (at least, as do our elites).

To: Lane3 who wrote (24580)	7/21/2006 6:19:02 AM
From: KonKilo	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 540952

They want to knock us down a peg or two or as many more as they can and see us quake. Using a one-size-fits-all generality seems naive to me. I'm certain there are differing aims, as well as substantial differences in their willingness and capacity for actually striking us. And what of bin Laden's goals? He seems only to want all Westerners out of Saudi Arabia.