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To: Brumar89 who wrote (9349)	7/22/2006 1:33:20 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

We will disagree. I see both as hard to understand, and I see a very great deal of excessive anger and hate on both sides. I couldn't possibly guess which side is more full of hatred. I find the "You're a traitor" crap as hateful as anything, and that seems to come mostly from the right. I see no point in arguing about it. I see hate on both sides, and I try to avoid what I can. I don't read most of the threads where people are especially hateful- frankly, it's just too depressing and disgusting- no matter which side is spewing the hate. That's why I hang out on threads that are moderated specifically for outrageous hate garbage. No name calling. No hate speech. No personal crappola. You can't stop people from being hateful. You can only call it as you see it, when hate oozes across your path, and refuse to become part of the problem. I don't see anything else that can be done about it.

To: Brumar89 who wrote (9349)	7/22/2006 3:55:57 PM
From: J_F_Shepard	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

"The reason for the emotion behind the expressions of glee that a soldier's family had been murdered are a lot harder to understand." No one expressed "glee" that a soldiers family had been murdered...

To: Brumar89 who wrote (9349)	7/22/2006 5:06:01 PM
From: J. C. Dithers	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 14758

I thought that was a very good post, Brumar. "Glee" has been expressed elsewhere, if not on SI -- which is a more respectable site than others on the Internet. When it comes to soldiers dying in Iraq, what I think is more common on SI, and on the liberal side generally, is "satisfaction". I am sure I have seen posts on SI calling attention to the latest death totals for troops. And I know that one or more newspapers has been (or was) running a daily tally. It is hard for me to perceive such notations as anything other than satisfaction. Everyone wants their position to be validated, and if one is against the war then it makes sense that satisfaction is taken from seeing the death toll rise. Put the other way, if the death toll were to sharply decline, it would be difficult for an anti-war person to see that as good news. Sadly, I think that is just human nature.