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To: Metacomet who wrote (17164)	7/30/2006 2:25:01 PM
From: koan	Respond to of 78420

Metacomet, that was such a good post!

To: Metacomet who wrote (17164)	7/30/2006 2:29:45 PM
From: Broken_Clock	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 78420

I will venture science, politics, capitalism, communism, etc all fall squarely into the "religion" category. The faith in science to save mankind flies in the face of reality. It is apparent that man's worst enemy is man.

To: Metacomet who wrote (17164)	7/30/2006 5:24:17 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 78420

Reality isn't very popular, and I guess the reasons are obvious.

To: Metacomet who wrote (17164)	7/30/2006 9:36:58 PM
From: E. Charters	Respond to of 78420

The thirst for a system that is uber to ratiocination is sourced from the instinct that no system that has integrity in its axioms does not contain undecidable propositions. The seeking of validity for the undecidable is the essence of the search for systems outside our rationally predicating ones that answer the deeper felt truths that must underline existence. Existence only has a meaning in the perception of the rational being. Without the rational being's vanity of perception the universe has no reason. Therefore it might as well not exist. A statement sometimes known as Gödel's second incompleteness theorem states that if number theory is consistent, then a proof of this fact does not exist using the methods of first-order predicate calculus. Stated more colloquially, any formal system that is interesting enough to formulate its own consistency can prove its own consistency iff (if and only if) it is inconsistent.