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To: RealMuLan who wrote (54488)	8/9/2006 1:44:06 AM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

'When housing bubbles burst, they have a bigger impact on the greater economy and a slowing economy further suppresses housing prices.' How many housing bubbles have we ever really had besides this one where values rose much faster than incomes or rents? I think only late 80's in a few coastal markets in the NE and CA and the 1920's Florida land boom along with metro NY area..

To: RealMuLan who wrote (54488)	8/9/2006 2:02:50 AM
From: regli	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

HK@what else -- trotsky, 22:10:53 08/08/06 Tue i thought you would pick up on the sarcasm. trust me, i do not want to minimize the crime (white phosphorus was also used in Fallujah as the Pantagon was finally forced to admit after initial denials. the 'paragons of democracy' in general have no compunction about using chemical weapons on civilians it seems - ironically the very thing Saddam stands accused of). Raja -- trotsky, 22:05:25 08/08/06 Tue consuming a lot of energy is per se not an 'offense'. it mainly proves that the country in question enjoys a high standard of living. imo the offense is that the lands that produce the energy are considered pawns in a political power game, a totally unnecessary strategy. the Arabs and Persians can't eat their oil after all. they are quite willing to sell it to all bidders, ergo there is no need for coercion and bully tactics. this strategy, which mainly results in the by now well-known 'blow-back' effect while doing basically f*ck-all to enhance the mythical 'energy security' is in essence a scheme to defraud the tax cows on the behalf of arms producers et al. it also gives small-minded moronic politician-parasites a sense of power and self-importance - the combination of idiocy and hubris that is so characteristic of today's 'political leaders' (who collectively strike me as probably having escaped from a loonie bin - not that i would want to insult the loonie bins). HK@shakeup -- trotsky, 21:51:08 08/08/06 Tue "...couldn't happen to a better bunch who like dropping white phosphorus ordinance on wommen and children where there is no Hezbollah infrastructure." what else would they do? they don't know where the Hizballah infrastructure IS! they also don't know where its fighters are, where its weapons are, or anything else for that matter. it's not that i have any special insight into Israel's intelligence capabilities - i conclude the above simply from the fact that they're bombing EVERYTHING in Lebanon. you don't do that when you have 'precision munitions' and KNOW where your enemy and his assets are. furthermore, the counter-strikes by the guerilla army have not diminished to any discernible degree, rather the opposite - which goes to show that while 'everything' has been shred quite effectively by the bombing, the avowed targets of the bombing have escaped largely unharmed. this is a sort of reverse 6-day war...the Israelis are losing the war astonishingly fast. 'losing' has to be applied in a loose sense here - in the guerilla war sense. the attacking nation state loses by NOT winning. sort of like the US experience in Vietnam or Iraq....neither war was 'lost' in the traditional sense, but they were lost nonetheless (i hope no-one has any illusions left about Iraq at this stage - the only remaining question w.r.t. that adventure is actually how much more blood and treasure will be poured down the drain before the inevitable conclusion is reached).